Sorority Life Part 1 million

[RosmaPomia]

I've restrained from posting but enough is enough.
What a bunch of lying morons!!! Now, these girls should remember that they are being followed by camera and that eventually somebody should see it. To blatantly lie to your sisters, is absolute crap!!
Jordan is so self-involved. The way she acted it appeared to me that she is (sad to say) using the death as an excuse so that all blame can be put on the sisters.
At first, I didn't mind Mara but she is such a little spoiled princess. You screwed up!! Leaving a hotel room because it's not "up to standards" Welcome to having a budget!!!
I find it hard to believe that Candace and Amanda would be so thick-headed to actually tell a sister one thing and then blatantly lie about to the others. Do they think that the sisters don't talk to each other or something? That's part of being in a sisterhood. You talk to each other!!
I agree that Becca should have talked to them first but on the other hand I can understand that the other sisters are probably quite frankly fed up with those new members for their blatant disregard for their sisterhood. The sisters have worked hard to keep their local alive and it could be in jeporady because of how a few "little girls" are behaving. I personally hope that only Dede and possibly Jessica make it to initiation and if the others leave voluntarily I don't think that too many of the sisters will shed a tear.

Of course that's just my opinion, I could be WRONG.

[33girl]

I highly doubt that Jordan's grandmother passed away. I think the producers told her to do that to create drama. Since I've lived away from home I've lost 2 grandparents and my mother, and I assure you, the LAST thing on my mind would have been some sorority formal. The first thing on your mind, after grabbing clothes to take with you, is to get home and to your family as fast as possible. And JORDAN HAS A CAR. If she would have lived far away or had to wait for a flight or something, I could see it, but she didn't. She should have been out of there the minute she heard the news.

Plus her mom didn't seem too upset about the death of a family member. Plus - if this is her Jewish grandma - doesn't Jewish law dictate immediate burial? (i.e., you die on the 3rd and get buried on the 4th)

Sorry, but this is just SO fishy in so many ways. Remember when one of the Sigmas said on here that we had no idea how low the producers/MTV would sink? I think this is it.

[shadokat]

I felt bad for Jordan, as losing a relative is very hard, and then to have these women who don't even want her in their sorority anymore to be all over her, that's just wrong.

I have a problem with a sister saying "we're watching you!". What kind of veiled threat is that??? Give me a break. Watch me walk out the door and never come back to Sigma, that's what I would've said!!

[xo_kathy]

Well, I think that much of this drama could have been avoided if the sisters of Sigma had not taken all the girls who came through rush. I realize they are local and aren't held to Panhellenic rules like quota, but it is blatently obvious that some of those pledges fit that house and some do not.

I'm all for diversity in a chapter, but many of the Sigma sisters made it clear from the beginning that they thought some of these girls were in it for the TV time. And lo and behold, those are the ones we see each week. Every GLO knows there is always a "problem" pledge, but it seems to me Sigma set itself up to have a whole mess of them. If they had stayed true to themselves when handing out bids, I bet we would see a great, strong, diverse group of sisters who really cared about one another. 'Course, I guess MTV wouldn't have us all watching then, would they!?!?

[33girl]

Originally posted by xo_kathy
If they had stayed true to themselves when handing out bids

They did. Their policy in previous years has apparently been to let everyone who wanted to pursue membership, do so, and they pride themselves on being nonselective. They felt it wouldn't be right to go against that policy just because of MTV. I agree. But the media whore capabilities of some of these pledges have no bounds.

[xo_kathy]

I see your point, but I still disagree.

Sigma prided themselves on "not judging books by their covers", which is very admirable! It seemed to me that the sisters who were opposed to Jordan and the others were not really judging them solely on their appearance (as Leslie made it sound like they were). They sincerely felt these girls were only interested in the TV, that they were not excited about Sigma, and that they would not be comfortable with them as sisters. I was Rush chair when I was active, and if my sisters had so vehmently opposed some rushees like these girls did, I'd trust my sisters. THAT is staying true to yourself and your sisterhood (IMHO).

Another note, it says on the Sigma website that they DID change their policy this year to deter girls who were only interested in the TV aspect. Yet, on the show, they clearly said they extended bids to everyone. Anyone clear on this one?

[Excelsior301]

I know MTV has had a big part in the corruption of this little sorority, but I feel like the sisters are partly to blame, too. I mean, from day one, barely any of the sisters wanted anything to do with the pledges and had all these preconceived notions about how each girl was going to act based on how they looked, etc. I haven't seen a good attempt of the sisters interacting with the pledges, and those little pledge activities don't count. I haven't seen a sister just be like "hey, do you want to go hang out, go to the club, mall, movies, whatever" to a pledge. Maybe if the pledges and the sisters did more things together, there wouldn't be all this bickering over little stuff. The sisters were right, there is no sense of sisterhood, but i don't think it's because of the pledges

[BSUPhiSig'92]

Just a few of my observations on "Sorority Life"

-Weren't there something like 14 pledges to the sorority? We only see the six or so living in the house. There don't seem to be problems with the other pledges. The actives don't seem to have had any problems with Jessica or Deedee, and we don't see that much interaction between Jessica and Deedee and Jordan, Candace, Mara, and Amanda.

-We normally only see the actives maybe two minutes an episode. Who knows what activities are actually going on? We certainly don't.

-We don't see any interaction between the in-house/out-of-house pledges. Judging from what we see on the show the pledges in the house don't have anything to do with their pledge sisters. I don't know about everyone else, but my pledge class hung around together all of the time!

-Did we ever see (or hear) Jordan tell an active sister that her grandmother had died? Did anyone else in the house share that with the actives?

-Jordan's mother seemed totally unconcerned about Jordan's problems with the sorority. I think she summed the situation up perfectly with her remark about her always having to have drama in her life.

-Common sense should tell you that it is rude to get up and leave in the middle of an awards presentation. It isn't just disrespectful to your sisters, it's just plain disrespectful.

-MTV is notorious for editing footage out of sequence to make things seem to happen at a time other than when they really happened. A 1/2 hour tv program is usually 22 minutes long. TONS of footage that might give us a better idea of what is really going on is left on the cutting room floor. Well run pledge programs, and sisterhood probably don't make the cut. After all, even on cable, it's all about ratings.

Reality TV? I think not.

[SATX*APhi]

I posted this in the other forum, but here it is again.....



I saw the show this afternoon. My goodness! Wow. If Jessie wanted to express to the 4 pledges what she felt about them leaving formal, she could have asked Becca if she could speak to the pledges at the time that Becca spoke with them. I understand that Jessie was upset and perhaps she was not thinking all that well, but the way her and the other sisters treated the pledges was just outright rude and in very poor taste. "We need to speak with you, you and you!" She did not even give the pledges an opportunity to explain their "wrong-doing."

I do agree that the pledges leaving was rather rude; however, that was their choice. Of course, there are no rules that say that the sisters/pledges need to stay for the entire length of formal; that would be silly. Most people would want to be at formal for a good amount of time, but hey, some people just want to make an appearance and then move on. That's fine if that's what they want. Who are we to judge them? But tell me this, who has formal until 2am? I am sure it started at 7pm-ish.

The pledges did act in a manner that was inappropriate but the way they were approached, "threatened" and not allowed to speak by Jessie and her "gang" was very inappropriate, far more inappropriate than Candace and Amanda trying to get a quick cheap drink from a bar across the street.

I think Jessie needs to be "talked to."

Oh, and BTW, I have always liked Mara. Recently, though, I have come to not be able to stand her. I thought she was so sweet, but have seen how arrogant she is. On MTV.com she posted this message:

"k, so i am a total snob. i would not go camping, ever. not if you paid me. the hotel was scary, so we left. and by the way leslie, the camera crew didn't approve of the neighborhood also, but they aren't allowed to do anything about it.

maybe i am a huge snob, and a pissy brat. but people who know me already knew that. however, staying in a dangerous part of town has nothing to do with my bratiness. i have already admitted to being a JAP. the thing is, i like being a brat. and last time i checked, i don't see leslie, becca, or leah necessarily roughin it in the wilderness either..."

Later, she goes on to say:

"ok, and while i may be bratty about hotels for formal, it was just that. a sorority formal. it is a rather selfish and bratty occasion by nature isn't it? i mean really, let's celebrate ourselves and our nice lives at the westin st francis...? so therefore if i wanted it to be nicer, and was willing to pay to do that, i really don't see why that is so problematic. i didn't leave because i thought i was too good for sigma, or to disrespect the sisters, or for the cameras, or any of those things. i left because i was bored, we were in san francisco, figured i would get out and see the town. had i known they were all gonna go crazy i wouldn't have gone to the formal in the first place. i don't really like to be places where i am trapped and am forbidden from leaving..."



PUH-LEEEEASE!!

Okay, sorry for my lengthy post. I can't wait to see how Vegas turned out!

[aephi alum]

Originally posted by 33girl
They did. Their policy in previous years has apparently been to let everyone who wanted to pursue membership, do so, and they pride themselves on being nonselective. They felt it wouldn't be right to go against that policy just because of MTV. I agree. But the media whore capabilities of some of these pledges have no bounds.

The impression I got was that, in past years, Sigma AEPi extended bids to everyone who came to their rush weeks and demonstrated sincere interest in joining. They then use the pledge period to get to know the pledges and determine who becomes a sister. With MTV on site, they were a little more selective, but still basically followed the same model.

And you're right about Jewish law regarding burial. The deceased is supposed to be buried within 24 hours, unless that means the burial would occur on the Sabbath or a Jewish holiday, in which case the burial is delayed until the Sabbath or holiday ends. However, families will sometimes bend the rules to allow out-of-town relatives to attend the funeral.

[sugar and spice]

BSUPhiSig: amen to everyone you said.

SATX*APhi: I agree with you about Mara. At first she was my favorite of the pledges, but her behavior in the past two or three episodes has completely changed my mind.

[chideltjen]

anyone wanna PM me a brief summary of what happened in last nights show?

i don't have cable nor internet access at home so i couldn't chat last night. (stupid phone lines.)

I don't really trust MTV's episode summaries cuz they wouldn't know greek life if it smacked them in the face... (you decide if the pun was intended)

[stacydphie]

Originally posted by SATX*APhi

maybe i am a huge snob, and a pissy brat. but people who know me already knew that. however, staying in a dangerous part of town has nothing to do with my bratiness. i have already admitted to being a JAP. the thing is, i like being a brat. and last time i checked, i don't see leslie, becca, or leah necessarily roughin it in the wilderness either..."

Later, she goes on to say:

"ok, and while i may be bratty about hotels for formal, it was just that. a sorority formal. it is a rather selfish and bratty occasion by nature isn't it? i mean really, let's celebrate ourselves and our nice lives at the westin st francis...? so therefore if i wanted it to be nicer, and was willing to pay to do that, i really don't see why that is so problematic. i didn't leave because i thought i was too good for sigma, or to disrespect the sisters, or for the cameras, or any of those things. i left because i was bored, we were in san francisco, figured i would get out and see the town. had i known they were all gonna go crazy i wouldn't have gone to the formal in the first place. i don't really like to be places where i am trapped and am forbidden from leaving..."

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I have absoultely no words, and anyone who knows me knows that's not easy to come by.

I have never seen such unbelievable disrespect - and to not only play it out in front of the cameras, but to then get on a public forum and continue to air your dirty laundry and show the whole world what a total snotrag, unworthy, ungrateful person you are....

The more she talks, the more obvious it is that this was all about being on MTV. Not that this comes as a surprise at all, but the least she could do is be polite. Geez lie if you have to, but have a little respect for a sorority that you pledged yourself to!

All I can say is this girl is lucky she never pledged my sorority.....

[KappaKittyCat]

Watching last night's train wreck (I'd taped it 'cuz I wasn't home) this afternoon, I think I finally figured out what really bugs me about the show and about Sigma's setup as a whole. I'm going to preface this by saying that I realize Sigma's a local and doesn't have to do things the way that NPC does.

But...

I really don't like the fact that there's such a distinction between "Sisters" and "Pledges." From what I understand of Sigma, the pledges are not yet sisters. And yet they're supposed to display "sincere sisterhood" and such? I don't get it. I know that I'm splitting hairs here and that what the ladies in question did at formal was disrespectful and inexcusably rude to begin with, but I don't like all the segregation of pledge class and active members. I'll not even go into what I think about the separation of pledge house pledges and non-pledge house pledges.

That little scene with Ann and Jesse and Jordan at the end made me feel sick. Jordan should just leave if she feels that maligned. And what Ann said really upset me. "The way you treated my sisters"? Not "our sisters" or "the sisters," but "my sisters"? Again, it's saying that Jordan, et al, are really not a part of the group. Sigmas are not their sisters. If anything, I feel that this pledge period has only helped separate the pledges from the actives, not cement the ties of unity and sincere sisterhood.

I really like our New Member Program that integrates the NMs right off. None of this second-class citizan garbage.

And if I were Becca, I'd have ripped Jesse, et al, a new one for going over my head like that. I'm talking PUBLIC APOLOGY.

[OUlioness01]

Originally posted by KappaKittyCat
Watching last night's train wreck (I'd taped it 'cuz I wasn't home) this afternoon, I think I finally figured out what really bugs me about the show and about Sigma's setup as a whole. I'm going to preface this by saying that I realize Sigma's a local and doesn't have to do things the way that NPC does.

But...

I really don't like the fact that there's such a distinction between "Sisters" and "Pledges." From what I understand of Sigma, the pledges are not yet sisters. And yet they're supposed to display "sincere sisterhood" and such? I don't get it. I know that I'm splitting hairs here and that what the ladies in question did at formal was disrespectful and inexcusably rude to begin with, but I don't like all the segregation of pledge class and active members. I'll not even go into what I think about the separation of pledge house pledges and non-pledge house pledges.

That little scene with Ann and Jesse and Jordan at the end made me feel sick. Jordan should just leave if she feels that maligned. And what Ann said really upset me. "The way you treated my sisters"? Not "our sisters" or "the sisters," but "my sisters"? Again, it's saying that Jordan, et al, are really not a part of the group. Sigmas are not their sisters. If anything, I feel that this pledge period has only helped separate the pledges from the actives, not cement the ties of unity and sincere sisterhood.

I really like our New Member Program that integrates the NMs right off. None of this second-class citizan garbage.

And if I were Becca, I'd have ripped Jesse, et al, a new one for going over my head like that. I'm talking PUBLIC APOLOGY.

I agree with everything you said KappaKitty. When you pledge a sorority you join a sisterhood. You don't get treated as inferior during that time. However, Jordan really doesn't act like she wants to be part of the group. none of them do. I'm incredibly sorry that thousands of PNMs are getting a completely wrong idea about what joining a sorority is like.