Prejudism

[Rudey]

"I said Farrakhan no longer had those beliefs. I said "to go back" meaning to go back to the statement that the user posted. Not that Farrakhan went back. "

Farrakhan STILL has those beliefs. He is documented as saying a ton of racist remarks since. That's the reason why he is banned from Britain. Wait, how come you didn't address whether his remarks used to be racist? How about you go back, read it, and then decide not to comment just like you did when I brought up Al Sharpton. And even if Farrakhan doesn't hold those beliefs, which he does, his affiliation with the NOI which still holds the beliefs on Yakub as well as other racist beliefs, clearly makes him racist.

"I said that statement that I wasn't talking to him because he seem to misunderstand what was posted many times about Tom's postings. I can't make people interpret what was written. "

Once again, people have a right to post whatever they want in a forum as you said, so don't tell him not to worry about it. Or perhaps you shouldn't worry about anything people say that you don't like.

"You statement about Al Sharpton I did in fact read. I just didn't respond."

You know some people still claim that nobody has gone to the moon even when presented with a video of the moonlanding. They see the video, and just don't respond.

-Rudey
--I'm running out of things to say involving Mr. Yakub

[Honeykiss1974]

Can we not turn this thread in "The Farrakan Hour" and get back to topic ?

How can I, as an African American woman, get someone who isn't, to understand where I and maybe even other african amerians are coming from?

[Kevin]

Actually the topic was whether non-whites can be racists in America. I cited an example (rather simplistically) and Rudey PM'd me the stuff that I put down about the Rev.

I think this is applicable because it is living proof that non-whites can indeed by racists in the sense that they think one race is inherantly better than another, etc.

So this is on topic

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Actually the topic was whether non-whites can be racists in America. I cited an example (rather simplistically) and Rudey PM'd me the stuff that I put down about the Rev.

I think this is applicable because it is living proof that non-whites can indeed by racists in the sense that they think one race is inherantly better than another, etc.

So this is on topic

Ummm, no sweetie, I meant the topic of alleviating racial tension. I believe Cream put the question out there as well. And in regards to Farrakan, I can just as easily search the 'net and find a favorable article in regards to him and his words (FOR EXAMPLE I THINKS ITS REATHER HYPOCRITICAIL OF BRITAIN TO BAN HIM, BUT YET MANY VOCAL MEMBERS OF THE KKK, ARYAN NATION, AND OTHER ANTI-MINORITY HATE GROUPS ARE FREE TO VISIT AS THEY PLEASE). That is why I said what I said


How about checking out the NOI's homepage?
http://www.noi.org/information/history.html

****EDITTED*****

This is an excerp from a speech Farrakan gave on 6/17/02. Go to http://www.finalcall.com/media/mlf06-17-2002.htm to view it in its entirety.

" As a Muslim, I believe that I understand the Palestinian and Islamic point of view more than most Americans; and this is why I think that our visit, God willing, may make a difference. This is regarded as a Judeo-Christian society. The American people in that context have some difficulty in understanding the Islamic point of view. However, I have grown up as a Christian and love my Christian roots, and I have worked tirelessly for 25 years to produce unity between Black Muslims and Christians. And because I have worked for 25 years with those of the Jewish faith who are Hebrew-Israelites, who also are Black, I believe that we have a spiritual point of view that may be able to connect the three branches of Abraham--Jews, Christians and Muslims. It is out of this understanding that I truly believe that I am called of God in this serious hour for the sake of peace to do whatever I can to help solve this problem, for in helping to solve this most urgent problem, in serving the cause of peace in that area of the world, we can serve the cause of peace right here at home, and in so doing serve the cause of world peace. "

Now, does this sound like hateful rhetoric?

My point is that we all can use the cut and paste function to our hearts content but it won't solve anything. For example, how can you prove to Neicy that other blacks can be racist when she and others differ as to what the simple definition of a racist is? That is why I felt and still do feel that THE FARRAKAN HOUR is off topic.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974

How can I, as an African American woman, get someone who isn't, to understand where I and maybe even other african amerians are coming from?

Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible. One has to take a walk in another's shoe in order to understand.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by Rudey
Didn't mean to present it like that...I just wanted to say there is more out there than just one type of hip hop.

- Rudey
-- Nice usage of the word schtick

*shrug*

I'm from NYC; words like schtick, schmuck and chutzpah are part of my vocabulary, lol.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Can we not turn this thread in "The Farrakan Hour" and get back to topic ?

How can I, as an African American woman, get someone who isn't, to understand where I and maybe even other african amerians are coming from?

Damn near impossible sometimes.

It takes a lot of talking, and sometimes yelling, and ALWAYS patience. It helps to approach it less as your life as a black woman, and more as a woman who is black, and whose race shades her experience.

It does work though. I have friends who are white and they 'get' it. I guess the test of whether or not that's true will be how they feel in 20 or 30 years, lol.

[Tom Earp]

Once again, I will say that the old Gray Mare is Dead!

neicy will not listen to anyone as she seems to want to pick on anyone who does not agree with her statements! Maybe I am to white for some of the Black, Red, Yellow, Male versis Female, Protestant agnostic faith, Roman Catholic, Jewish, or Musilum, Buddah Faiths!

I still think this thread seems to me only has gotten out of hand and will not change anything in the world until some come to realize that YES, There need to be Changes and there has been Changes made.

I am here to try to make it better for the Greek Community as We are all Greeks no matter what Race, Religion or Gender.

To me this has deginerated into a Pissing Contest of who is the More Rightest of the Races!

I have gone back to my posts and read my rantings and ravings according to some! I started all over again and read the whole post and I have found one common thread! Da, !!!!

May this thread go to dust with the Winds blowing it into oblivion!

This is not helping any of us to try to work with each other, and do better for the good!

Neicy, is this alright for me to post this ??

[Rudey]

I actually checked out the NOI's homepage before posting all that information. The noi's homepage is filled with about as many lies as any other racist webpage out there. I tell you what though, you want to discuss how to promote diversity and not make this the Farrakhan hour...I can understand that. So if you'd like, you can pm me and I will talk with you, point by point on Farrakhan, if it interests you. You're comment on Britain being hypocritical is even wrong...but pm me, and I will talk to you about it.

In terms of how we could get whites and blacks to understand each other...you can only do so much. For example, I remember someone telling me that there is a spring break program for college kids to live on the streets as a homeless person so they get a better feeling of what homeless people go through. Well there was a great deal of criticism because for homeless people there isn't this hope of their situation ending in one week. These kids go back to their lives thinking they learned something but know nothing about it other than the fact that yes, living on the streets is rougher than their posh college lives. If someone told me I could submerge myself into a black lifestyle, I would still never get it. The same goes for black people in "white" lifestyles. I guess the only thing I can say is to be open minded and to listen to people...people don't complain for no reason at all. In the end, I guess it's a difference between sympathy and empathy.

Also, I find it very annoying for people to use the term "white"...maybe you do for black. I'm sorry, but I just don't know what "white" means. I really really don't.

-Rudey
--Still amazed that lovelyivy used Schtick

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974


Ummm, no sweetie, I meant the topic of alleviating racial tension. And in regards to Farrakan, I can just as easily search the 'net and find a favorable article in regards to him and his words (FOR EXAMPLE I THINKS ITS REATHER HYPOCRITICAIL OF BRITAIN TO BAN HIM, BUT YET MANY VOCAL MEMBERS OF THE KKK, ARYAN NATION, AND OTHER ANTI-MINORITY HATE GROUPS ARE FREE TO VISIT AS THEY PLEASE). That is why I said what I said


How about checking out the NOI's homepage?
http://www.noi.org/information/history.html

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by Rudey



Also, I find it very annoying for people to use the term "white"...maybe you do for black. I'm sorry, but I just don't know what "white" means. I really really don't.

-Rudey
--Still amazed that lovelyivy used Schtick

So what do you prefer then? EVERYONE has a different idea on what they want to be called- I like Black but many don't, some like African-American, shoot some folks are still saying Negro.

But white is not now, nor has it ever been seen as a pejorative term, unlike umm...black.

I guess I just wonder why you would have a problem with that?

And FYI, I majored in english. Words are my business and I know a lot of them. Be surprised if I said that something was risible, not that I used the word schtick, lol.

[Dionysus]

I am morally opposed to using "black" and "white".

Here's why: *excuse me, while I go to websters.com*

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by Dionysus
I am morally opposed to using "black" and "white".

Here's why: *excuse me, while I go to websters.com*

I see why some people don't like using black, but I don't like African-American either. Why? My family is from the Caribbean, and if I feel a sense of roots anywhere, then it's in the Caribbean.

I just feel like Black is more all-encompassing.

[Honeykiss1974]

Well, I don't know Rudey. I mean, even though those kids will only spend a week on the streets, that does not mean that they shouldn't try. Who knows, after day 3 someone might be inspiried to do something more.

Even if you yourself were to become "black" for a week (or me become white) , I can guarentee that you/I will learn a few things that you/I will take with you/me , even after the experience is over.

When you get a moment, please read the book titled Black Like Me by Joh Howard Griffin. It is the true story about a white man that darkened his skin and went down South to experience life as a black man during the 1960's. It is a REALLY good book. i think there is also a movie about too.

[lovelyivy84]

How in the world do you define a black or a white lifestyle?

There is no such thing.

The only thing a switching experience could honestly do is change your skin tone, and depending on your economic status it may or may not have that much of an effect.

I mean, if your last name is Bronfman or Cosby, I doubt it matters that you're black. Shoot, if it's Bronfman then I know it doesn't.

[Honeykiss1974]

i am not trying to define a "black" or "white" lifestyle, but I am taking about experiences. Maybe I am taking for granted that people should know that one person DOES NOT represent the whole entire race . i am not saying that it is practicle to do, but in theory..............