UF Spring Recruitment!! - Page 14

psusue · #1 01-19-2012, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

^^^I think there is room for everyone on some level, as everyone is varying degrees of closeness to total. The thing is, I think that PNMs are generally all gunning for those groups who do have more interest than bids, which is where the problem starts.

Like, I'm sure there is room for everyone, if everyone "spreads out" and accepts bids to different groups, but that generally doesn't happen. Does that make sense? I have had a full day of kids and school. lol.

No this makes sense. It's like any competitive school, if everyone kept an open mind there would likely be a place for everyone. But it doesn't work that way.

DeltaBetaBaby · #2 01-19-2012, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by psusue

No this makes sense. It's like any competitive school, if everyone kept an open mind there would likely be a place for everyone. But it doesn't work that way.

Right, but the problem is that there is no way for PNM's really to gauge the chapters' interest, and vice-versa. How many PNM's who get cut from their top choice during FR are totally shocked about it?

33girl · #3 01-19-2012, 01:33 AM

I think even if you showed the PNMs mathematical figures (i.e. XYZ has only ended up pledging 5% of the women who wanted to pledge them, or whatever), made them listen to testimonials from former rushees, and had the sisters flat out tell them that they had 90% of their pledge class in mind before rush even started...

there would STILL be PNMs who would be completely convinced that they could beat those odds and secure a spot in the chapter they want, no matter what.

DeltaBetaBaby · #4 01-19-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

I think even if you showed the PNMs mathematical figures (i.e. XYZ has only ended up pledging 5% of the women who wanted to pledge them, or whatever), made them listen to testimonials from former rushees, and had the sisters flat out tell them that they had 90% of their pledge class in mind before rush even started...

there would STILL be PNMs who would be completely convinced that they could beat those odds and secure a spot in the chapter they want, no matter what.

Right, I meant an invitational pref round or something so that they would see who had invited them and who hadn't. Information about the general case isn't going to do anything.

DubaiSis · #5 01-19-2012, 02:06 AM

To the girls who are freaking out, unfortunately you are just going to have to be patient. Hopefully you'll hear something in the next several days, but based on how this process is set up it could take that long. If they do a round of bids and then have to wait 2 whole days to discover they're being declined, then do the whole thing again, you could easily be talking about 6 days before they get to you, even without being that far down on their list.

Please do let us know how it works out for you.

FSUZeta · #6 01-19-2012, 12:13 PM

Panhellenic could also update their webpage, or send a mass email to the spring PNMS congratulating ABC sorority on their spring new member class. PNMS could be told at the get go-the informational meeting-that if they see that message ABC is done and won't be extending anymore bids. They don't need to list the girls who got bids, just post the generic message.

DubaiSis · #7 01-19-2012, 12:34 PM

The chapters could do that on their websites, facebook pages, twitter, etc. I'm sure the girls who are waiting for bids are watching all of those sites.

And how hard would it to do a bid match? My first thought is it wouldn't be a thing at all since they already own the software, but then on further thought it would require them to have rho gammas etc. However, the chapters who are not participating in informal could volunteer for all of those positions. So it would take quite a bit of pre-prep, but I think the result would save a lot of heartache on both sides of this process.

I'm hoping we hear from the gals here soon who are going through the process. It's another day so I suppose quite a few girls have accepted bids, declined bids and a new set of girls have gotten called.

GatorPNM · #8 01-19-2012, 12:44 PM

I'm not so sure there were enough bids to go around in the first place. There were certain houses that you could just tell weren't giving out many. You would get in, get a house tour, then end up back at the front door. Maybe I'm just trying to save my ego, but I'm assuming they already knew who they wanted.

Then there were houses that seemed really interested and like they were actually looking for girls, who when we started talking about bids and stuff said "Oh, we want a decent sized pledge class so we're giving out 10 bids!" (I heard 15, too)

So that makes me think that the houses that really needed numbers were probably giving 20-25? I know that's kind of a shot in the dark, but there were around 300 girls registered! So even if all eleven houses gave out 20 (which is not the case I'm sure) that's only 220 bids...

KSUViolet06 · #9 01-19-2012, 03:31 PM

^^You can't always tell by that though. A chapter that generally does well with recruitment is going to be generally interested in talking to you and great with conversation (and make you feel welcome), even if they only have like 3 bids to give out and 99% of who they're talking to won't get one.

Just like I've dealt with chapters who (on the flipside) are far under total and are super stand off-ish to PNMs or act uninterested in a lot of them when they have 40 and everyone else is at 120.

You really can't say how many a chapter is looking to take by how they interact with you.

DubaiSis · #10 01-19-2012, 04:22 PM

Here's a thought: have a preference round where the chapters can invite the number of gals they want, to attend up to 3 parties (or whatever. I suppose 2 would work), and the girls rank all the chapters in descending order. Then they can attend up to 3. The houses that are looking for 5 girls would be crazy to invite 200 girls to their preference party so that should let a lot of girls down fairly gently and allow them to focus on more realistic options.

Hopefully based on their RFM history they would have a reasonable expectation of how many girls they should invite, even if they aren't following RFM to the letter. And if houses are not being cool about the number of girls they're inviting, then Panhel would have to step in the following year. But I really think now that schools see the beauty of RFM they wouldn't do anything too out of whack.

And then do a bid match with an individual quota like what Nebraska and Indiana do.

Thoughts?

psusue · #11 01-19-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Here's a thought: have a preference round where the chapters can invite the number of gals they want, to attend up to 3 parties (or whatever. I suppose 2 would work), and the girls rank all the chapters in descending order. Then they can attend up to 3. The houses that are looking for 5 girls would be crazy to invite 200 girls to their preference party so that should let a lot of girls down fairly gently and allow them to focus on more realistic options.

Hopefully based on their RFM history they would have a reasonable expectation of how many girls they should invite, even if they aren't following RFM to the letter. And if houses are not being cool about the number of girls they're inviting, then Panhel would have to step in the following year. But I really think now that schools see the beauty of RFM they wouldn't do anything too out of whack.

And then do a bid match with an individual quota like what Nebraska and Indiana do.

Thoughts?

This is what we did 2 years ago and I think it would have worked out well here. Unfortunately for us because we only raised total by 5 or so (plus losing a chapter, which added spaces) it was still a mess because every woman still thought that they were getting a bid from their dream chapter, when dream chapter was only doing the partially structured rush as a formality and they already had the women they wanted picked out. I think it would have worked well for UF here though.

33girl · #12 01-19-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis

The houses that are looking for 5 girls would be crazy to invite 200 girls to their preference party so that should let a lot of girls down fairly gently and allow them to focus on more realistic options.

Hopefully based on their RFM history they would have a reasonable expectation of how many girls they should invite, even if they aren't following RFM to the letter. And if houses are not being cool about the number of girls they're inviting, then Panhel would have to step in the following year. But I really think now that schools see the beauty of RFM they wouldn't do anything too out of whack.

This is a happy fairy land of a post. I'm sorry to say, a lot of chapters still only do RFM because they are forced to. There are chapters out there who wouldn't blink an eye at inviting 200 girls for 5 spots, because then they can say "we had 200 girls come to our party and they knew we only had 5 spots. This is how bad girls want us."

Either all out (strictly COB on your own, no Panhel involvement) or all in (like what violetpretty has talked about Maryland doing). I think at a school this big, with a rush this big, it's hard to do otherwise. Panhel thinks you're inviting too many girls and tries to "step in"? The chapter pulls out of spring recruitment. Unless it is something as essential as fall rush, that's what's going to keep happening, until the only groups rushing are the ones who need the numbers (which is what Panhel tried to prevent in the first place).

DGTess · #13 01-20-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Here's a thought: have a preference round where the chapters can invite the number of gals they want, to attend up to 3 parties (or whatever. I suppose 2 would work), and the girls rank all the chapters in descending order. Then they can attend up to 3. The houses that are looking for 5 girls would be crazy to invite 200 girls to their preference party so that should let a lot of girls down fairly gently and allow them to focus on more realistic options.

Hopefully based on their RFM history they would have a reasonable expectation of how many girls they should invite, even if they aren't following RFM to the letter. And if houses are not being cool about the number of girls they're inviting, then Panhel would have to step in the following year. But I really think now that schools see the beauty of RFM they wouldn't do anything too out of whack.

And then do a bid match with an individual quota like what Nebraska and Indiana do.

Thoughts?

I really like the idea of giving a woman as many choices as possible, and like the idea of her receiving more than one bid. I think it evens out the "mutual" in "mutual selection."

But I can understand the uncertainties inherent when a chapter has to wait and wait to see how many bids are accepted.

KSUViolet06 · #14 01-19-2012, 10:47 PM

^^^^While I think it's rough that you don't know who still has bids to give, recruitment did JUST on Monday.

It's only Thursday.

Relax.

FSUZeta · #15 01-20-2012, 05:11 PM

any of you gator girls know if the UF sororities participating in spring informal are allowed to hold anymore get-togethers on their own? for instance, ABC sorority handed out 10 bids for 10 spots, 7 girls accepted and 3 declined on Thursday. will ABC be allowed to organize something on their own and invite a few girls that they were interested in, but did not offer bids to, over to the house for dinner?