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02-01-2012, 02:53 PM
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The St. Ambrose version piqued my interest- lately I have been appreciating all things theologically Orthodox.
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02-14-2012, 08:21 PM
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How is the Ordinariate different from the Eastern Rite Churches?
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02-14-2012, 08:47 PM
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We are Roman Catholic - fully Roman Catholic. The Ordinariate ( to which individuals as well as parishes have to be admitted - there is an application process) allow parishes to function together kind of like a diocese, but obviously not bound by geography. The Eastern Rite Catholics ( I assume you are not including the schismatical churches) are in union with the pope but maintain their own rites, have their own patriarchs, etc. I've heard it explained that they are essentially the same as before the great schisms. What they are NOT is Latin - unlike the parishes of the Ordinariate. The churches of the Ordinariate are using the Anglican rite which is actually closer to the rites of the church at the time of Henry VIII than the current RC rites, or so I've been told. Well, other than the fact that it is in English, of course. That is my admittedly limited understanding of the differences.
eta - Found a good overview of Roman/Western vs. Eastern - not specifically the Anglican Ordinariate, though - our priest faces the altar, for example, and our architecture and art are far more traditional and ornate than that in this chart.
http://www.stmarysbc.com/faith.html
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02-15-2012, 01:52 PM
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We are Roman Catholic - fully Roman Catholic. The Ordinariate ( to which individuals as well as parishes have to be admitted - there is an application process) allow parishes to function together kind of like a diocese, but obviously not bound by geography. The Eastern Rite Catholics ( I assume you are not including the schismatical churches) are in union with the pope but maintain their own rites, have their own patriarchs, etc. I've heard it explained that they are essentially the same as before the great schisms. What they are NOT is Latin - unlike the parishes of the Ordinariate. The churches of the Ordinariate are using the Anglican rite which is actually closer to the rites of the church at the time of Henry VIII than the current RC rites, or so I've been told. Well, other than the fact that it is in English, of course. That is my admittedly limited understanding of the differences.
eta - Found a good overview of Roman/Western vs. Eastern - not specifically the Anglican Ordinariate, though - our priest faces the altar, for example, and our architecture and art are far more traditional and ornate than that in this chart.
http://www.stmarysbc.com/faith.html
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I'm actually quite familiar with the difference between East and West. I am a frequent attendee at the local Orthodox mission and actually debated moving from Canterbury to Constantinople for a period of time. And I have seen some very high church Episcopal services where the priest faces the altar. Depending on which rite one uses, both are historically correct. (The Mozarabic rite IIRC has always have the priest face the people).
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02-15-2012, 02:14 PM
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Fun fact - when OLOW was just starting out in our small building (which is now our parish hall) we had an altar on wheels; the then-bishop would roll it out when he came so he was facing the congregation, but our priest would roll it back and face it when he was officiating.
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02-15-2012, 02:30 PM
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Fun fact - when OLOW was just starting out in our small building (which is now our parish hall) we had an altar on wheels; the then-bishop would roll it out when he came so he was facing the congregation, but our priest would roll it back and face it when he was officiating.
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LOL.
In these parts, priest-facing-the-altar ( ad orientem) is frequently seen even in fairly low Episcopal churches. It's just how the churches were built and "how it's always been done."
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02-15-2012, 02:38 PM
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I have yet to see a priest stand at the north end of the altar, which is the true tradition lol. What I would love to see is a true Sarum liturgy, but only chance to see that would be WR Orthodox.
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02-17-2012, 12:32 AM
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So I ended up ordering the BCP from Ireland today. Also bought a set of Anglican Prayer beads and a book called "The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything." I think I'm done with church related purchases for at least the next 46 days.
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02-17-2012, 11:03 AM
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So I ended up ordering the BCP from Ireland today. Also bought a set of Anglican Prayer beads and a book called "The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything." I think I'm done with church related purchases for at least the next 46 days.
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The Guide is the best book in Ignatian Spirituality I have read for quite some time. It is great. The first time I read it, it took me two days because I couldn't put it down. Then, I read it again for more useful meditation.
Great purchase, great book by a great author.
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The Guide is the best book in Ignatian Spirituality I have read for quite some time. It is great. The first time I read it, it took me two days because I couldn't put it down. Then, I read it again for more useful meditation.
Great purchase, great book by a great author.
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I hadn't heard of this book until I read this thread; and I am now looking over my parish's Lenten Spiritual Enrichment Guide, and this is the Spiritual Book Club book selection for lent.
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02-17-2012, 07:50 AM
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Lent kinda snuck up on me this year - any suggestions for reading from y'all?
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02-17-2012, 09:39 AM
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So I ended up ordering the BCP from Ireland today. Also bought a set of Anglican Prayer beads and a book called "The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything." I think I'm done with church related purchases for at least the next 46 days.
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Well, you're set for Lent.
Let us know how you like the book. The prayer beads were a good purchase, too. I really like mine.
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Lent kinda snuck up on me this year - any suggestions for reading from y'all?
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I know, right? All of a sudden last night I realized it's next week. (Since I sing in the choir and we practice things weeks if not months in advance, you'd think I'd know it was almost here. It can get a bit hazy when you start practicing Lenten music in early January.)
I need to figure out something to read as well.
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02-17-2012, 12:59 PM
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One author I started to read recently that I love is Matthew Fox. He is know for what he calls Creation Spirituality, his most famous book being The Coming of the Cosmic Christ.
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02-18-2012, 01:44 AM
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Some random theological musings:
I believe that Jesus called for people to care about ALL of people's needs.
When people were hungry, he didn't just preach to them, he fed them.
It bugs me when people say "well feeding the homeless is great, but they need Jesus."
Um, feeding homeless people IS Jesus. I feel like we minister to people through the things we do to help them, not just by telling them about the Gospel.
Thoughts?
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02-18-2012, 09:39 AM
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I like St. Francis' take on it: "Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words."
In my experience, Christians ARE concerned about feeding the hungry, helping the homeless, etc. Largest private charitable orgs in the U.S.? The Salvation Army and Catholic Charities USA. On a smaller scale, I know here in Katy we have the Katy Christian Ministries, which many congregations support, not to mention all the individual initiatives of Christian and non-Christian religious bodies.
A fellow OLOW parishioner ( and mother of a former h.s. student - it's a small world) started this incredible org - http://www.centerforrenewal.org/Site/Welcome.html
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