White men in NPHC

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

Fair enough, fair enough...this could go on for awhile without getting anywhere so it's best we end it now. Nobody answered my question about a double-standard and it doesn't look like anyone will. That's fine. I have no problem with that. Maybe the question is un-answerable. You're not going to change my opinion on the matter and I'm not going to change how your organizations look at certain people and accept or reject certain people for whatever reasons. No big deal. That's what makes organizations different. If we were all the same, we'd all have the same letters on our chest and college campuses would be boring places as it pertains to greek affairs. Reds, you're right...we should be able to accept and reject whoever we want for whatever reason without facing penalties. Unfortunately certain groups can't do that without legal action being taken against them. I guess that's just a burden we have to carry. No matter though. If organizations are happy with how they look at certain people and how they treat certain people, more power to them. That's their choice and their right.

Let's be clear my organization ACCEPTS all women of different backgrounds. I said I wouldn't necessarily vote for a white member, which is one vote. My vote can't deny membership to any young woman, white or black. And if you re-read many of the previous post you were given reasons. I also don't believe in double standards so if a white person voted no for a person of color, I would respect their choice.

[Laak 315]

You say that your vote can't deny membership, but in a way it can if the majority of your chapter votes the same way for the same reasons..."double-standard" is open to interpretation but I view a double-standard as a certain group getting in trouble for rejecting a person for whatever reason while another group doesn't get in trouble for the exact same thing...

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

But how do you take care of things like dues, housing, etc...if you don't actively recruit people who help pay for that? Wouldn't it be possible to eventually lose all members/stop gaining new members since there is no formal recruitment? The money could run out if you stop gaining members.

We don't have membership issues or lack of them. Keep in mind that most members of BGLO's exposure to BGLO's were most likely happened in their community, teachers, family members, mentors, etc. BGLO are an integral part of our community. For instance because of my exposure to certain BGLO members I knew going into college what organization I wanted to join. If a potential member is interested they would most likely show their interest by attending community service events and other activities sponsored by their organization of choice. Some make it a point to get to know the members of the chapter of their respective organization. The organization holds a rush (meeting on membership), you apply, and etc.

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

You say that your vote can't deny membership, but in a way it can if the majority of your chapter votes the same way for the same reasons..."double-standard" is open to interpretation but I view a double-standard as a certain group getting in trouble for rejecting a person for whatever reason while another group doesn't get in trouble for the exact same thing...

Again the organization doesn't reject members based on skin color, which would account for the number of white members in our organizations. It's hard for a non-BGLO member to comprehend because our purpose and origination are very different. Also if I meet a white Soror I wouldn't treat her differently than I would a member of color. I would however wonder why she made the choice she did.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

You say that your vote can't deny membership, but in a way it can if the majority of your chapter votes the same way for the same reasons..."double-standard" is open to interpretation but I view a double-standard as a certain group getting in trouble for rejecting a person for whatever reason while another group doesn't get in trouble for the exact same thing...

I agree wholeheartedly with this. A no vote based solely on skin color, irrespective of the assets and talents s/he can bring into the org is IMHO simply wrong, no matter what race(s) are involved.

[Laak 315]

Originally Posted by Reds6

Again the organization doesn't reject members based on skin color, which would account for the number of white members in our organizations. It's hard for a non-BGLO member to comprehend because our purpose and origination are very different. Also if I meet a white Soror I wouldn't treat her differently than I would a member of color. I would however wonder why she made the choice she did.

understandable...

so there's no dues or anything of the sort with BGLOs?

[Laak 315]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I agree wholeheartedly with this. A no vote based solely on skin color, irrespective of the assets and talents s/he can bring into the org is IMHO simply wrong, no matter what race(s) are involved.

it seems like a fine line, but I understand where Reds is coming from.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

understandable...

so there's no dues or anything of the sort with BGLOs?

Oh, there are dues, and as a member of a BGLO, you are expected to stay financial (read: current on all dues) not only through your college years, but for the rest of your life.

[Laak 315]

gotcha

[starang21]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Laak, please take Starang's posts with a grain of salt; he is accustomed to making personal attacks on people who doesn't agree with his viewpoints.

sure thing, cappa.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

But how do you take care of things like dues, housing, etc...if you don't actively recruit people who help pay for that? Wouldn't it be possible to eventually lose all members/stop gaining new members since there is no formal recruitment? The money could run out if you stop gaining members.

No D9 org is hurting for members, so we're looking for quality over quantity

The people that we want know who we are. They've either known all their lives, or they work like crazy finding out. Not to sound arrogant, but we don't have to actively recruit to get members. Sometimes, we may have small chapters. Those chapters may, at times, be REALLY small. That's not due to a lack of interest. But the standards are very high. Regarding housing ... As I said, the national orgs are not hurting for members, and well, honestly, there are higher priorities than housing, so a chapter isn't going accept X amount of people a semester just so they can pay for a house on campus.

And yes, we all pay dues. For life.

Wow ... this is so far off topic of the OP ... sorry, everyone!

[Laak 315]

so would it be safe to say then, that a BGLO stands for philanthropy/community service above everything else?

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

so would it be safe to say then, that a BGLO stands for philanthropy/community service above everything else?

Some orgs moreso than others.

[Laak 315]

But would you say that that is the underlying purpose of most BGLOs above anything else?

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

No D9 org is hurting for members, so we're looking for quality over quantity

Not to sound arrogant, but we don't have to actively recruit to get members. Sometimes, we may have small chapters. Those chapters may, at times, be REALLY small. That's not due to a lack of interest.

That is very much true, Laak. She is right. Case in point, take a look at the numerous threads prospective members have started in any of the NPHC orgs' respective forums. There have been quite a few that have started (and ended) recently in the AKA and DST forums.