Initiation Cost?

[Kevin]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Cool.

So I'll ask it again -- if we were to drop the use of the term HBCU and instead use PBI, would you feel the same about such an acronym as I do about PWI?

[jessikay1922]

Originally posted by ktsnake


Would you be offended if we were to drop the "HBCU" acronym and instead start referring to schools such as Howard as PBIs or "Predominantly Black Institutions"? I'm not sure that you would care either way, but what's your take on that?

Wouldn't bother me ONE bit.... because statistically these schools are PBIs.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Would you be offended if we were to drop the "HBCU" acronym and instead start referring to schools such as Howard as PBIs or "Predominantly Black Institutions"? I'm not sure that you would care either way, but what's your take on that?

BTW--

I would not be offended but people pretty much know that HBCUs are typically also PBIs, so the newly attempted distinction is pointless. Similar to starting to use the acronym "HWCUs."

[Marie]

Originally posted by Drolefille


I can't look up a PWI when I haven't seen evidence that they exist.

Are you saying that you haven't seen any universities that are majority white?

Really people...I don't know what the fear is about being considered white these days. PWI is a commonly used term. Just because an institution does not refer to itself as such does not mean that the term doesn't exist nor does it mean that the term isn't valid. PWI is simply a term that is used to distinguish schools that are in fact majority white from those that aren't. Since it is not likely that we'll all go around saying HBCUs v. All The Others, then an appropriate term was created to give these institutions some sort of classification.

There are many studies that observe the experience and effects of minority students attending schools that are majority white. Any simple google search will turn these up. The term PWI is used repeatedly as a descriptor for these institutions. It isn't used to bash or cast any judgement on the study or the institution. It is simply a classification for the purpose of simple understanding.

No one is saying that PWI = 'We only want/cater to/target white students' or 'We are comprised only of white students'. Infact no one even thinks that except, of course, other white people (who I'm honestly not sure actually believe that the term is offensive or are just so afraid of being considered racist that they regect anything and everything that sounds 'too white') . PWI = just what it says PREDOMINANTLY WHITE INSTITUTION. In case we aren't all clear on what that 1st word means then here is the definition.

predominantly

adv : much greater in number or influence; "the patients are predominantly indigenous"

Are you saying that you don't think that there are schools for which this definition applies (white students are greater in number)?

Honestly, I can see the argument against WGLO b/c it could imply that these organizations are in place to attract and serve whites only. I can even see the argument against HWGLO b/c inspite of the accuracy of this term, the titles IFC and NPC are in place to make the distinction, and maybe deep down we're all just a little uncomfortable about the fact that these orgs were founded with what we may today consider to be non-PC policies/clauses. However PWI? Come on people.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Drolefille
It is sad to see that you are changing your previous statements already.

Not at all.

[Drolefille]

Originally posted by Marie
Are you saying that you haven't seen any universities that are majority white?

Really people...I don't know what the fear is about being considered white these days. PWI is a commonly used term. Just because an institution does not refer to itself as such does not mean that the term doesn't exist nor does it mean that the term isn't valid. PWI is simply a term that is used to distinguish schools that are in fact majority white from those that aren't. Since it is not likely that we'll all go around saying HBCUs v. All The Others, then an appropriate term was created to give these institutions some sort of classification.

There are many studies that observe the experience and effects of minority students attending schools that are majority white. Any simple google search will turn these up. The term PWI is used repeatedly as a descriptor for these institutions. It isn't used to bash or cast any judgement on the study or the institution. It is simply a classification for the purpose of simple understanding.

No one is saying that PWI = 'We only want/cater to/target white students' or 'We are comprised only of white students'. Infact no one even thinks that except, of course, other white people (who I'm honestly not sure actually believe that the term is offensive or are just so afraid of being considered racist that they regect anything and everything that sounds 'too white') . PWI = just what it says PREDOMINANTLY WHITE INSTITUTION. In case we aren't all clear on what that 1st word means then here is the definition.

predominantly

adv : much greater in number or influence; "the patients are predominantly indigenous"

Are you saying that you don't think that there are schools for which this definition applies (white students are greater in number)?

Honestly, I can see the argument against WGLO b/c it could imply that these organizations are in place to attract and serve whites only. I can even see the argument against HWGLO b/c inspite of the accuracy of this term, the titles IFC and NPC are in place to make the distinction, and maybe deep down we're all just a little uncomfortable about the fact that these orgs were founded with what we may today consider to be non-PC policies/clauses. However PWI? Come on people.

If you can see an issue with WGLO the same argument can exist for PWI or HWCU or whatever. My only real issue with PWI is that DSTChaos keeps saying that universities use it to describe themselves and has not provided evidence to support her assertation.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
You never said what topic his opinion was on--you just said he had a contrary opinion. Do you agree with every possible contrary opinion that any individual can possibly have?

Maybe he's smarter and maybe he isn't. A lot of us have been there and done that and are still doing it--that's what we're supposed to be doing so no kudos there.

I'm still wondering why you think we should care. It's not about belittling him but belittling you for thinking he's important to mention to us.

Maybe as a KAPsi, His voice should be heard.

Is He not A Member of an Outstanding Fraternity and You belittle Him and His Brothers?

[Marie]

Originally posted by Drolefille
If you can see an issue with WGLO the same argument can exist for PWI or HWCU or whatever. My only real issue with PWI is that DSTChaos keeps saying that universities use it to describe themselves and has not provided evidence to support her assertation.

Either you think there is a problem with the term or you don't. It's not "Oh I do think that the term is offensive in the same way that I think saying my organization is all white is offensive, but I really am ok with that. I just don't like how she said it was the schools official title."

Also, the key to those two terms being different is the use of the word predominantly. W/o that word the term is absolute and without exception, which can be inaccurate. However, with that word it is description that implies most, but not all, which is accurate.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Correct.

By others and themselves.

I never said that EVERY predominantly white institution refers to itself as such, but there are enough who do for the point to remain the same.

And I thinkl the reason for that is HBCUs keep promoting it.

They Are Colleges and that is a true answer.

Earp Speak is a way for people to state their beleifs and I have the opportunity to speak Mine.

Maybe You can spell or type better than I do that is fine, but how does Yours and other minds think?

So, letsw fight The Civil War all over again and who was responsible for what happened in the past.

This is not the past, this is today!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
And I thinkl the reason for that is HBCUs keep promoting it.

LOL.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Maybe as a KAPsi, His voice should be heard.

Is He not A Member of an Outstanding Fraternity and You belittle Him and His Brothers?

Tom, seriously...what are you talking about and why does your Kappa friend matter right now?

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Tom, seriously...what are you talking about and why does your Kappa friend matter right now?

Maybe it doesnt, but a question was asked and it got totaly out of whack with nothing to do with teh poor original Poat!

Does that answer you question?

[Drolefille]

Originally posted by Marie
Either you think there is a problem with the term or you don't. It's not "Oh I do think that the term is offensive in the same way that I think saying my organization is all white is offensive, but I really am ok with that. I just don't like how she said it was the schools official title."

Also, the key to those two terms being different is the use of the word predominantly. W/o that word the term is absolute and without exception, which can be inaccurate. However, with that word it is description that implies most, but not all, which is accurate.

To clarify, I was acknowledging that there could be an argument against PWI just as there could against HWGLO etc.

However, I personally only take issue with a claim made w/o evidence, not the term itself.


I understand it can be descriptive, such as in the grant request, but instead I'm stating it isn't a label or even description, that universities use for themselves, certainly not often.

This is of course my opinion, and it is subject to change upon presentment of evidence to the contrarty ;-)

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Does that answer you question?

Yes.

I look forward to reading some more initiation costs.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Yes.

I look forward to reading some more initiation costs.

Never Mind, it does no good to try to discuss any thing with You!

You seem to be so self opinionated any way!