Racism: It still does exist

[starang21]

Originally Posted by bows&toes

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I'm confused, my post is not edited (you can see that), and I spelled genius correctly. What exactly are you trying to do, edit my own post?

Anybody can see that shiner is bringing substance to the argument and you are talking out of your ass. Go ahead and call me some names, because you sure as hell don't bring any intelligence to the conversation. Oh I forgot, you're a genuis...right? Must be over my head.

actually dimwit....the edit line doesn't come up until after a set amount of time and that was your original spelling prior to you editing. thanks.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by bows&toes

You are correct, they don't just start "spitting shakespeare". That argument would apply if they were born in the 50s 60s and maybe even the 70s. Most kids that go to college and especially high school these days were born in the 80s. That means they can't blame anybody but themselves for personal failures. They attended public schools just like anybody else. Even if they attended a school in a poor neighborhood, the only thing holding them back is peer pressure and personal responsibility. Lots of cases, the fact that they are from a poor neighborhood will help them get things such as admission to a university and scholarships. The "white man" can't be blamed for personal choices kids make when they DECIDE pursue popular black culture (read: 50 cent) instead of having the foresight to make good grades and go to college.

In my personal experience most of the black kids in my public high school (2nd biggest in TX and one of the richest) fell into the same fate. They followed black culture, tried to act "ghetto", some went to jail, others are still hanging out in town selling drugs, others are working low paying jobs with no plans to attend college. I'm not saying there is not exceptions, I am good friends with a black guy that graduated with me that goes to my university. But unfortunately, this is the exception not the norm, at least in my experience. Can their failures be blamed on the "white man" when their parents sent them to a great "blue ribbon" school and when their parents make ~6 figure incomes?? Ofcoarse not, but don't ask them, they will tell you it is. This is the hypocrisy that I often refer to.

you're obviously quite stupid and very uninformed on this subject. stick to something else, idiot. your miniscule personal experience means nothing in the big scheme of things since you yourself benefit from white privelege and thus aren't privy to what minorities in this country have and continue to endure. read the previous posts and get educated. like i said several times, 40 years doesn't erase centuries of oppression and destitution. obviously, you don't have very good reading comprehension

people of color didn't get the same start that whites had, and thus will have an uphill battle in equalizing the playing field.

[bows&toes]

Originally Posted by starang21

you're obviously quite stupid and very uninformed on this subject. stick to something else, idiot. your miniscule personal experience means nothing in the big scheme of things since you yourself benefit from white privelege and thus aren't privy to what minorities in this country have and continue to endure. read the previous posts and get educated. like i said several times, 40 years doesn't erase centuries of oppression and destitution. obviously, you don't have very good reading comprehension

people of color didn't get the same start that whites had, and thus will have an uphill battle in equalizing the playing field.

Your replies are always so predictable, you always start out name-calling when you don't have any counter-argument. Then you convince yourself through your own post that it is us who are ignorant and we must be uninformed.

Maybe you should attempt reading comprehension considering both me and shiner have pointed out to you that it only takes one generation to turn a family from poor to rich. Maybe if you didn't give people a scapegoat with your rhetoric, they may not have a constant 3rd party to blame for their laziness, wrong decisions, etc. Maybe if people didn't have a constant scapegoat, they would actually take on their own responsibility and work their way out of poverty. This is what my dad did when he moved here from Europe before I was born. He worked his way up from having a minimum wage job to being a VP of a large manufacturing company and owning a successful real estate investment business in less than 15 years. He did this because he had no choice, he had nobody to blame for his failures but himself. He picked himself up by the bootstrap and did what he had to for his family to live comfortably. So don't tell me this crap about "it takes many generations" thats an excuse and a load of bullshit.

Are you going to tell me now how uninformed I am?

[bows&toes]

Originally Posted by starang21

actually dimwit....the edit line doesn't come up until after a set amount of time and that was your original spelling prior to you editing. thanks.

I don't think I ever changed it, and it is ironic that you of all people here are pointing out errors in spelling. You have the spelling skills of a 10th grader, you don't want me to start pointing them out, because there are multiple errors in each post I've read. But you are a genius, so what do I know?

[starang21]

Originally Posted by bows&toes

Your replies are always so predictable, you always start out name-calling when you don't have any counter-argument. Then you convince yourself through your own post that it is us who are ignorant and we must be uninformed.

Maybe you should attempt reading comprehension considering both me and shiner have pointed out to you that it only takes one generation to turn a family from poor to rich. Maybe if you didn't give people a scapegoat with your rhetoric, they may not have a constant 3rd party to blame for their laziness, wrong decisions, etc. Maybe if people didn't have a constant scapegoat, they would actually take on their own responsibility and work their way out of poverty. This is what my dad did when he moved here from Europe before I was born. He worked his way up from having a minimum wage job to being a VP of a large manufacturing company and owning a successful real estate investment business in less than 15 years. He did this because he had no choice, he had nobody to blame for his failures but himself. He picked himself up by the bootstrap and did what he had to for his family to live comfortably. So don't tell me this crap about "it takes many generations" thats an excuse and a load of bullshit.

actually i did counter argue, but you're too slow to catch it. you are ignorant and uninformed, not trying to convince anyone...just the truth. your small little personal experience is irrelevant and useless to the conversation. step it up.

and like i said, twit..it takes WAY more than one generation to change an entire group when said entire group started out with nothing in the first place. are you too slow for that logic? whites had the power, money, and influence and people of color had none of that at the height of the civil rights movement. now you think after 40 some years, everything is supposed to change? i mean seriously, you can't be this stupid.

the number of bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, PHD's, hell even millionaires among people of color has increased and is possibly highest it's ever been. but yet and still, there is a long way to go...and (lemme repeat this again for the slow) it takes WAY more than one generation to turn around millions of people when said millions started off with nothing in comparison to whites.

your little story of triumph means little, because yet and still...he's still an exception even among white people (even those still benefitting from white privelege). so i'd appreciate it if you'd use a bit of common sense and not try and apply your exception to the rule.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by bows&toes

I don't think I ever changed it, and it is ironic that you of all people here are pointing out errors in spelling. You have the spelling skills of a 10th grader, you don't want me to start pointing them out, because there are multiple errors in each post I've read. But you are a genius, so what do I know?

actually, you did. you were the one pointing out my spelling errors now and it's funny that you're backpeddling. quit being a bitch, lol. your panties are showing.

[bows&toes]

Originally Posted by starang21

actually i did counter argue, but you're too slow to catch it. you are ignorant and uninformed, not trying to convince anyone...just the truth. your small little personal experience is irrelevant and useless to the conversation. step it up.

and like i said, twit..it takes WAY more than one generation to change an entire group when said entire group started out with nothing in the first place. are you too slow for that logic? whites had the power, money, and influence and people of color had none of that at the height of the civil rights movement. now you think after 40 some years, everything is supposed to change? i mean seriously, you can't be this stupid.

the number of bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, PHD's, hell even millionaires among people of color has increased and is possibly highest it's ever been. but yet and still, there is a long way to go...and (lemme repeat this again for the slow) it takes WAY more than one generation to turn around millions of people when said millions started off with nothing in comparison to whites.

your little story of triumph means little, because yet and still...he's still an exception even among white people (even those still benefitting from white privelege). so i'd appreciate it if you'd use a bit of common sense and not try and apply your exception to the rule.

Did you read my post? You seem to lack any comprehension, reasoning skills, and even simple logic.

My father is not the only one. My whole family which consisted of many uncles, aunts, etc all moved at the same time. They live all over Texas, New York, etc. Not one of these families is living poor, NOT ONE. They are all either making 6 figures or close to it. They all started with NOTHING, and it has been less than 25 years since they all moved. They also didn't speak a word of English at the time. Please tell me why they can do it in LESS than 1 generation, and a language barrier, and others can't?


PS. Please, paste your replies into a word processor first or something. You can't even spell "privelege" let alone lecture me about it.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by bows&toes

Did you read my post? You seem to lack any comprehension, reasoning skills, and even simple logic.

My father is not the only one. My whole family which consisted of many uncles, aunts, etc all moved at the same time. They live all over Texas, New York, etc. Not one of these families is living poor, NOT ONE. They are all either making 6 figures or close to it. They all started with NOTHING, and it has been less than 25 years since they all moved. They also didn't speak a word of English at the time. Please tell me why they can do it in LESS than 1 generation, and a language barrier, and others can't?


PS. Please, paste your replies into a word processor first or something. You can't even spell "privelege" let alone lecture me about it.

are you honestly this stupid? i already said it can be done in a small scale, you moron. i also said doing so for an entire race of people or even equalizing the playing field doesn't happen overnight or even over a generation. we're not talking about one person, two people, a family, ect. we're talking about entire groups of people. use your brain instead of thinking small.

i don't particularly give a shit about your family, so you trying to impress me with their menial accomplishments is falling on deaf ears. my father is a physician, and my mother is an CPA. all immigrated from a 3rd world country. so should i be even consorting with common trailer trash such as yourself? it still doesn't invalidate the fact that people of color were so incredibly disadvantaged (far more so than anyone you know including your father) that it'll take more than one generation to clean up the oppression that white people have done for centuries.

you're obviously not comprehending the american civil rights movement and the impact of of the institutionalized racism that we're still reeling from the effects today.

learn how to spell "genious" first, and then learn about white privilege.

hey, never said i'm a wiz at spelling and i really don't care. you're just reaching, because you're not intelligent enough to present a case with actual facts outside of your little sheltered world. but i am smarter than you.

[bows&toes]

Originally Posted by starang21

bui am smarter than you.

I feel like I'm arguing with a 8th grader. You say you're smart but your posts speak for themselves. I gotta go, I have company at my "trailer".

[DSTCHAOS]

Starang21 is evil as hell.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by bows&toes

you're smart.

thanks, lol

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Starang21 is evil as hell.

hey, beautiful

[pinkies up]

starang21 is writing a new book entitled " Racism 101 for the intellectually uncapable of understanding anything factual". Unfortunately these 2 books are available only to bows&toes and that other fool that spouts nonsense. (it doesn't matter the names though, they're "MINORITIES" in this thread...)

-I bet they don't even know I'm talking about them. According to them, "MINORITIES" are inferior and don't have the capability of reasoning skills.
Anyway, keep up the good work; Strom's dried up bones would be proud. ( FYI, this is an insult. Can you guys keep up with that? You know, because you're "MINORITIES"......

[Bajan_Delta]

Wow! Must be nice to live in the world in which you live, where opportunities are equally available to EVERYONE no matter the race or socioeconomic status. Maybe one day I can pay a visit!

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Just because I say things which offend you, theres no reason to get angry. The fact is, I'm correct. I'm not close minded, I'm just right. I'm not unaware of the big world out there, I've seen it, and I'm still right. The playing field is level. Everyone can go to school. Everyone can get a job. All it takes is hard work. Believe it or not, all people are dealt a tough hand at one time or another. It is apparent that you prefer to wallow in that difficulty, and that you support others who do the same. I'm sorry that you'd rather blame such problems on the big white devil, because the real and usual cause, laziness, is too much for you to bear. So basically, you just proved my point about the black community. People like you are patting the black community on the head and telling them, "Its ok, its not your fault. Just wait, yell loud enough and maybe it'll get fixed." I'm sure that'll be very helpful in the long run.

[DSTCHAOS]

Shinerbock is going based on what is called the "achievement ideology." Interestingly enough, that ideology is upheld by many whites and those of the higher socioeconomic status. But blacks and those of lower socioeconomic status have believed the same throughout history. Blacks and the working poor did (and often still do) not want to believe that they could potentially fail despite all of their efforts. They also knew that they had to work harder amid structural constraints (for an example of this, read McLeod's "Ain't No Making It" 1995).

Sure there are a lot of people in every race, gender, and social class group that have "made it." But what makes the "isms" still salient is the fact that there remain structural constraints that result in differential rewards even when people have equal investments in human, social and cultural capitals (see Oliver and Shapiro 1995; Massey and Denton 1993; McLeod 1995; Thomas 1993; Thomas and Horton 1995; and Thomas, Herring, and Horton 1994 for more details).