Is Gay marriage necessary today or immoral?

[MaMaBuddha]

imagine being in a relationship with someone, building a life, and something dreadful happening to you or that person and it all being taken away.

Renee Barrett died on October 18 from injuries she received during the attacks on September 11th. A member of the Metropolitan Community Church of New York, a gay congregation, he is survived by her partner Enez Cooper and her 18-year-old son, Eddie. Barrett escaped the tower critically burned. She later died at Cornell-Presbyterian Hospital.

Graham Berkeley, a native of England who lived in Boston, boarded United Airlines Flight 175 on Sept. 11. His plane was the second to crash into the World Trade Center.

Mark Bingham was a gay passenger on United Airlines Flight 93 which crashed in Pennsylvania. He assisted in defending the aircraft against the attackers and is considered one of the many heros of that day. San Francisco has officially designated September 16 Mark Bingham Day.

Pamela Boyce, 43, was at work on the 92nd floor of the World Trade Center's north tower when it was struck. She is survived by Catherine Anello her partner of 6 1/2 years.

David Charlebois, a member of the National Gay Pilots Association, was the co-pilot of American Airlines Flight 77, the plane that crashed into the pentagon.

Eugene Clark, 47, worked on the 102nd floor of the south World Trade Center tower. He sent his partner Larry Courtney a voice message stating "I'm OK. The plane hit the other tower. And we're evacuating." Clark is still missing. - Victorira Scanlan Stefanakos, Advocate.com

Jeffrey Collman was a flight attendant on American Airlines Flight 11, which crashed into the north tower. He is survived by Keith Bradkowski, his partner of 11 years.

Luke Dudek, 50, worked for Windows on the World as the food and beverage controller. He is survived by is partner of 20 years, George Cuellar.

James Joe Ferguson, 39, was the director of geography education outreach at the National Geographic Society. He was a passenger on American Airlines Flight 77.

Carol Flyzik was a passenger on American Airlines Flight 11, which was the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center towers. She is survived by her partner of 13 years, Nancy Walsh.

Partners of 13 years, Ronald Gamboa, 33, and Dan Brandhorst, 42, were traveling with their 3-year-old adopted son, David were on their way home to Los Angeles from Boston on United Airlines Flight 175 which crashed into the second tower of the World Trade Center.

Sheila Hein, 51, worked at the Pentagon in the U.S. Army management and budget office when her life was taken by American Airlines Flight 77. She is survived by her partner Peggy Neff.

Father Mychal Judge was the Catholic chaplain of the New York City Fire Department who lost his life while ministering at Ground Zero. In June 2002, President Bush signed the Mychal Judge Act which grants federal relieve funds to survivors of 9/11, including same-sex partners. He is also being considered for sainthood.

William Anthony Karnes, 37, who lived within sight of the World Trade Center lost his life the morning of September 11th. He is survived by his partner John Winter.

John Keohane, 41, worked at One Liberty Plaza near the World Trade Center. Keohane died by falling debris. Before his death, Kepohane met his partner Mike Lyons on the street. Lyons later committed suicide on his 41st birthday.

Michael Lepore, 39, was a project analyst at Marsh & McLennon. He is survived by his partner of 18 years, David O'Leary.

Patricia McAneney was the fire marshal of her floor in the first World Trade Center tower. She is survived by Margaret Cruz, partner of 18 years.

Wesley Mercer, 70, worked as a Vice-President of Corporate Security at the World Trade Center. After successfully guiding 3,700 employees to safety he himself fell victim to the tragedy.

"Roxy Eddie" Ognibene worked on the 89th floor of the second World Trade Center tower. He was a member of the Renegades of New York's Big Apple Softball League.

Seamus O'Neal lost his life in the attacks on the World Trade Center. He is survived by his partner Tom Miller.

Catherine Smith, 44, worked on the 97th floor of the World Trade Center tower. She is survived by Elba Cedeno, her partner of six years.


these same people are going through problems with agencies and insurance companies because they are not recognized.

imagine being in a relationship with someone for years and not being recognized as that persons spouse or companion.

i believe marriage is a religious institution but to who and what religion? that is a different story. my God, doesn't love me and my partner any less then he loves any other str8 couple.

in reading this forum, i have to laugh because i feel like there is some sort of crusade to post nonsense articles about homosexuals being link to pedophilia, beastilty, AIDS, or any other dreadful situation that is out there.

i read an article somewhere that indicated that most pedophilia happen to be heterosexuals. (unfortunately, i can not find it)

in answering your questions,

nothing is affected in the bedroom.

as far as explaining my lifestyle to my lil sister/ or my children when the time comes we will take that step together.

[AXEAM]

Sistermadley
Your reply was the half a** reply that I expected from someone who believes that the struggles are the same, notice that I plainly stated @ a rate greater then non gays all you did is picked out the times when one gay or a couple of gays suffered. Now on the other hand Blacks suffered and are suffering@ a far greater rate then the majority in this country, are gays being profiled by the police @ A RATE GREATER THEN NON GAYS once again the answer is no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


P.S I notice you didn't address my comparison of gays to Jews but I kinda figured you wouldn't........


Also if one does their research you will find there is a link between the gay lifestyle and AIDS.

[rho4life]

Regardless of whether you are for or against Gay Marriage/civil Unions, does anyone really think a constitutional amendment is needed? Before you think answer, think about the slippery slope that would cause. The only time that the const has been changed to restrict rights was prohibition, and that didnt last very long. Do we really want to support changing the constitution over this???????? What's next? No financial aid for college unless you're a practicing Christian, going to the same Church as the Pres?????? This is NOT a GAY issue, this is a HUMAN rights issue. The gov should not care who I sleep with, as long as we're both consenting adults. As a country, I would rather see people working to develop more jobs, or to erradicate disease, or homelessness, rather than people taking off work to come to SF and protest gay marriages. It makes me wonder where our priorities are as a society.

[AXEAM]

Sorry but those above SCARE TACTICS won't work.........

[Honeykiss1974]

Interesting how earlier in this thread, when Dionysus was speaking about her personal distain towards polygamous relationships, there were no cries about her being close-minded or unenlightened.

What REALLY kills me how those of us who speak an opposing opinion to this issue are labeled "serious" or are accused to having a vendetta - but if this topic was anything else (like pledging), then we would be called "passionate". *lol*


This just reinforces the statements that Doggystyle alluded to -

"that this issue is about certain people wanting the rest of America be forced to APPROVE of their LIFESTYLE and that their LIFESTYLE be branded as LEGITIMATE over the objections of those with LEGITIMATE qualms about such a moral shift."

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Interesting how earlier in this thread, when Dionysus was speaking about her personal distain towards polygamous relationships, there were no cries about her being close-minded or unenlightened.

What REALLY kills me how those of us who speak an opposing opinion to this issue are labeled "serious" or are accused to having a vendetta - but if this topic was anything else (like pledging), then we would be called "passionate". *lol*

Just wanted to note that Dionysus specifically expressed personal feelings against polygamy but did not suggest that it should be right to legally condemn it. I have the same feelings. Even if I think something is wrong for me and my morals, I would probably still approve of it for others. For example, I am pro-choice but I am anti-abortion. I will always defend a person's right to make a personal decision but I certainly will not condone the action by committing it myself. I have had two opportunities to have an abortion but chose not to, because I was irresponsible, not the children. I, personally, do not ACCEPT homosexuality morally, but I will fight against those who try to deny homosexuals their freedom to choose their own partners!!

Theta Nu Xi Mission Statement:

To promote leadership, multiculturalism and self-improvement through academic excellence, involvement in and service to the campus and community as well as being living examples of sisterhood across different races, cultures, religions, backgrounds and lifestyles.

I will uphold this mission statement regardless of the self-serving and self-righteous attitudes of the majority of the people in the U.S.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Interesting how earlier in this thread, when Dionysus was speaking about her personal distain towards polygamous relationships, there were no cries about her being close-minded or unenlightened.

What REALLY kills me how those of us who speak an opposing opinion to this issue are labeled "serious" or are accused to having a vendetta - but if this topic was anything else (like pledging), then we would be called "passionate". *lol*


This just reinforces the statements that Doggystyle alluded to -

^5 Honeykiss

I'm used to this type of reaction by now though...standing for anything even close to what's Christlike is putting yourself at complete and direct odds with this mainstream/secular society.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
Just wanted to note that Dionysus specifically expressed personal feelings against polygamy but did not suggest that it should be right to legally condemn it. I have the same feelings. Even if I think something is wrong for me and my morals, I would probably still approve of it for others. For example, I am pro-choice but I am anti-abortion. I will always defend a person's right to make a personal decision but I certainly will not condone the action by committing it myself. I have had two opportunities to have an abortion but chose not to, because I was irresponsible, not the children. I, personally, do not ACCEPT homosexuality morally, but I will fight against those who try to deny homosexuals their freedom to choose their own partners!!

Theta Nu Xi Mission Statement:

To promote leadership, multiculturalism and self-improvement through academic excellence, involvement in and service to the campus and community as well as being living examples of sisterhood across different races, cultures, religions, backgrounds and lifestyles.

I will uphold this mission statement regardless of the self-serving and self-righteous attitudes of the majority of the people in the U.S.

Exactly. You can be against someting personally, but you don't have to push it off on everyone.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
^5 Honeykiss

I'm used to this type of reaction by now though...standing for anything even close to what's Christlike is putting yourself at complete and direct odds with this mainstream/secular society.

This is rather insulting to me as a Christian woman.

[AXEAM]

Well...Preciousjeni

There's a little saying that goes practice what you preach....my bad that would sound like we were bringing some form of religion into it........the one thing you guys want to keep out of it.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
Just wanted to note that Dionysus specifically expressed personal feelings against polygamy but did not suggest that it should be right to legally condemn it. I have the same feelings. Even if I think something is wrong for me and my morals, I would probably still approve of it for others. For example, I am pro-choice but I am anti-abortion. I will always defend a person's right to make a personal decision but I certainly will not condone the action by committing it myself. I have had two opportunities to have an abortion but chose not to, because I was irresponsible, not the children. I, personally, do not ACCEPT homosexuality morally, but I will fight against those who try to deny homosexuals their freedom to choose their own partners!!

Theta Nu Xi Mission Statement:

To promote leadership, multiculturalism and self-improvement through academic excellence, involvement in and service to the campus and community as well as being living examples of sisterhood across different races, cultures, religions, backgrounds and lifestyles.

I will uphold this mission statement regardless of the self-serving and self-righteous attitudes of the majority of the people in the U.S.

So what if it was a personal feeling? Mine are too and have been even before "gay marriage" was the hot topic of legal discussion. Polygamy is a topic of legal consideration as well because if it wasn't, it wouldn't be illegal. So basically because her feelings about this lifestyle coincide with the general consensus of America (its disgusting) and its laws, then her feeling are somehow legitimized? Whatever! That lifestyle deserves the same fevor that some people are giving the gay marriage issue (for those that are in favor of gay marriages).

It is not too far fetch to think that this type of marriage will be included in any legislation that is made either for or against gay marriages.

So again, why the double standard?

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
^5 Honeykiss

I'm used to this type of reaction by now though...standing for anything even close to what's Christlike is putting yourself at complete and direct odds with this mainstream/secular society.

I'm getting use to this (I guess) . I just never knew that standing up for Christ was a self serving/self righteuos attidue.

Ah well, Que cera, cera!

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by AXEAM
Well...Preciousjeni

There's a little saying that goes practice what you preach....my bad that would sound like we were bringing some form of religion into it........the one thing you guys want to keep out of it.

We're talking about legal issues, not religious. But, that's beside the point I was making. I'm saying that I, too, am a Christian and no less of a Christian than Lovespell.

I have a suggestion to all the Christians that are posting in this thread. Consider what Jesus did throughout his time on earth. He was concerned with people making the right choice to follow him. He never forced his lifestyle and beliefs on anyone (he did have a strong physical reaction to bad things happening on Holy Ground, however!!) But, if asked, he would surely tell the people what was right and true. For us, as Christians, to deny people the choice to live as they please and try to push them toward our way of life is counterproductive. Do you really think that a thief, for example, would respond better to, "You deserve jail time for breaking the law!!" or to "No one is perfect, let me tell you about the one who can save you." The minute you put restrictions on what people honestly believe is right (I'm talking about things that don't directly hurt you - not murderers, rapists, etc. - that's a different subject) you lose them.

[Dionysus]

This thread is getting uglaaaaay!

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by Dionysus
This thread is getting uglaaaaay!

Oh behave............