The 2008 presidential field at-a-glance

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Spokesman: Ron Paul will end presidential run

CNN) -- A spokesman for Ron Paul's presidential campaign said Friday that the Texas congressman is ending his run for the White House.
"We are acknowledging that Ron will not be the nominee and that we are winding down the campaign," said Jesse Benton, the Paul campaign's communication manager.
Paul hinted the end was near in a video to supporters posted on YouTube on Thursday....
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/...aul/index.html

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'Nuff said.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

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'Nuff said.

WHy are you still posting in this thread?

Seriously.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/...aul/index.html

[nittanyalum]

Thank you, Jon!

[nittanyalum]

^^^Co-sign. The state parties should foot the bill.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

By election, do you mean electing the nominee at the Republican Convention? Cause I got to tell you - I hate Huckabee almost as much as McCain.
I'm just tired of picking the least objectionable candidate. Even though I disagree with some of Paul's platform, I believe in his integrity in a way I don't believe in anyone else's. I do NOT know what I am going to do if it is McCain vs. Clinton/Obama. Shudder.

I mean nomination. Yeah. I'm voting for Obama for much of the same reasons you're voting for Paul. And though there are plenty of people who dislike McCain, but aren't Huck fans, they're not the largest "mass" of Republicans, the ones who are most likely to "do" something at the convention. Disillusioned libertarians in the general will vote McCain, cross the party line, or vote third party. They won't affect the nomination. (Not that religious conservatives are likely to either, just sayin)

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I agree with what you've said about Ron Paul; I just want to note that it's not just religions conservatives who aren't super-excited about McCain.

Noted, see above.

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

In other words, Ron Paul won't win the GOP nomination because:

1. The GOP's core values have been perverted by corrupt politicians and Ron Paul would put an end to that corruption (or at least interfere with its progress).

Do you realize you color every post by paragraphs: I doubt it, he just wouldn't get much done. He might be an uncorrupt politician, maybe, but he won't "put an end" to it.

2. Ron Paul is opposed to an abortion amendment and defining marriage constitutionally because it is not the federal government's duty to legislate such matters (as well as a host of other matters), nor was it ever the Founding Fathers' intent for the federal government to legislate such.

Hence why I'm voting Democrat. I'm in agreement with you, except that this is not why Paul isn't being voted for in the general public, but why he isn't going to be elected at the nomination. McCain is against the same constitutional amendments, Paul doesn't bring more to the table for the largest group of angry Republicans.

In short, Ron Paul is going to lose the GOP nomination because he is trying to bring cleanliness where is is filth, and the dirty folk aren't about to go out quietly.

No, because he got nearly nothing of the popular vote and exactly how many delegates? He's not going to win the nomination because he lost the delegate count. He's not going to sneak in and overthrow the nomination because MOST people who dislike McCain will not see him as an acceptable alternative.

He's not some martyr, he's unpopular among voters. (Which as Howard Dean can tell you doesn't mean he's unpopular on the internet, but that it apparently takes an Obama to get those supporters to vote for you.)

[KappaKittyCat]

The latest proposal for a do-over is for mail-in ballots in both states. And before you get all up in arms about the security of that, keep in mind that Oregon has voted by mail for years.

I actually like this idea because it doesn't disenfranchise the voters. While I agree that selecting one's party's presidential candidate isn't a Constitutionally protected right, I think that in such a hotly contested election as this one, it's the morally correct thing to do to seek the input of all Democrats for the selection of their candidate. And I think that the state parties should have to pay for it so this doesn't happen again.

That being said, I think we need to have a better system for determining who votes when in the primary. What do folks think of a lottery?

[KAPital PHINUst]

This Newsweek article on why Ron Paul still continues to run in spite of the hurdles he is experiencing is brilliant. He also explains why he won't give McCain an endorsement and why the Hillary/Obama fight for the Dem nomination (and the issues the press has been raising involving such) is meaningless.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/124451/page/1

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

This Newsweek article on why Ron Paul still continues to run in spite of the hurdles he is experiencing is brilliant. He also explains why he won't give McCain an endorsement and why the Hillary/Obama fight for the Dem nomination (and the issues the press has been raising involving such) is meaningless.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/124451/page/1

i think it's great that he's so upbeat and optomistic.



but i still don't think he will get the nomination

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

i think it's great that he's so upbeat and optomistic.

but i still don't think he will get the nomination

Actually whether or not he gets the nomination isn't nearly as important as him getting his message out on constitutional-based small government, a non-interventionist foreign policy, a real money-backed currency (read: gold and/or silver-based currency) , and a free market economic policy.

His winning the presidency will be an easier means to achieve these ends, but empowering the people to realize these items will bring us back to America's founding roots, and to either demand their government to return us to those roots, or run for positions of influence to achive these ends will serve just as effectively.

IMHO even if McCain gets the nomination, short of some serious poll rigging, I'd be hard pressed to believe he will win the presidency.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

IMHO even if McCain gets the nomination, short of some serious poll rigging, I'd be hard pressed to believe he will win the presidency.

I'd like to say you're wrong, but you may not be. Voters can be pretty stupid.

[SWTXBelle]

but never underestimate the power of the Democratic party to take what looks like a sure win for an election and blow it!

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

This Newsweek article on why Ron Paul still continues to run in spite of the hurdles he is experiencing is brilliant. He also explains why he won't give McCain an endorsement and why the Hillary/Obama fight for the Dem nomination (and the issues the press has been raising involving such) is meaningless.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/124451/page/1

You'll enjoy this Time article, too, entitled "Why Ron Paul Scares the GOP": http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...724358,00.html

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

You'll enjoy this Time article, too, entitled "Why Ron Paul Scares the GOP": http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...724358,00.html

Thanks. *gives the articles two thumbs up*

Too bad Michael Grunwald is gonna get pink-slipped for writing it.

[jon1856]

A McCain Moment: Do You Want Four More Years
of This?

Arianna Huffington 3/26/2008
If our polarized country can agree on one thing, it’s that the greatest danger facing America over the next decade will not be Islamic extremism and instability in the Middle East, but rather Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. That’s just “common knowledge,” right?

So it only makes sense that the media have focused nonstop on this looming threat while paying scant attention to the fact that the presumptive Republican nominee for president apparently doesn’t have a clue about what’s going on in the Middle East.

And with the U.S. death toll hitting 4,000 (with 25 American soldiers killed over the last two weeks, the deadliest fortnight for our troops since September 2007), and with another 57 people killed in Iraq on Sunday, John McCain’s tenuous grasp on what is happening in the region becomes all the more worthy of attention.

For those who were too busy watching Rev. Jeremiah Wright damn America for the 10,000th time to hear about McCain, let’s review: at a stop in Jordan last week, McCain made the ludicrous claim that al-Qaida insurgents were being trained in Iran. Asked again about it, he dug in deeper, claiming it was “common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaida is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that’s well known.”
http://www.caglepost.com/column/Aria...s+of+This.html

[shinerbock]

Jon, of all the stuff, Huffington? Come on dude.