Initiation Cost? - Page 12

Drolefille · #**166** 05-24-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
The distinction you are attempting does not even make sense in the grand scheme of things. Either case, there are other universities who refer to themselves as PWIs, which is what OU was doing (whether it be to receive money or not).

Please see my explanation above. OU isn't doing anything. 1 professor is creating a definition for a term.

DSTCHAOS · #**167** 05-24-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by unknown2u
well you did not say before that you would refrain in using such acronyms until now.

Maybe you need to read my posts again---or better yet visit the ignore feature.

DSTCHAOS · #**168** 05-24-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by Drolefille
Please see my explanation above. OU isn't doing anything. 1 professor is creating a definition for a term.

Well it is on the university's website, so take that for what you will. I knew that giving you all examples wouldn't mean anything because it would come down to some minute technicalities that you would struggle to discover.

Once again, feel free to look up other PWIs and see how they refer to themselves. OU is far from the only one.

utealum · #**169** 05-24-2006, 05:06 PM

There is a difference between being on a website hosted by the university and being on the official university website. If we went to ou.edu and they said, "Come visit OU, a predominantly white institution," that would be an example.

I can start a website on blogspot that says "Blogspot is a lame site host" and it would not mean that Blogspot had referred to themselves as a lame site host.

Drolefille · #**170** 05-24-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Well it is on the university's website, so take that for what you will. I knew that giving you all examples wouldn't mean anything because it would come down to some minute technicalities that you would struggle to discover.

Once again, feel free to look up other PWIs and see how they refer to themselves. OU is far from the only one.

OU lists all grants that it's professors request and recieve because it makes them look good. This is not uncommon. I'm asking for an example from the university.

I can't look up a PWI when I haven't seen evidence that they exist.

DSTCHAOS · #**171** 05-24-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by utealum
There is a difference between being on a website hosted by the university and being on the official university website. If we went to ou.edu and they said, "Come visit OU, a predominantly white institution," that would be an example.

I can start a website on blogspot that says "Blogspot is a lame site host" and it would not mean that Blogspot had referred to themselves as a lame site host.

Now you all are being ridiculous.

jessikay1922 · #**172** 05-24-2006, 05:09 PM

Quick question---

Do you all think that the terms PWI and HBCU were created by people on GC?????????????

Kevin · #**173** 05-24-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Ohhhhh---that's the difference? Please, people.

PWI, predominantly white institution, predominantly white university, predominantly white college---same thing.

The end result is the same with or without the requested examples--as I predicted it would be.

Sure it's different. An acronym indicates that the phrase is the typical phrase to describe such a phenomenon.

And like I said, we're discussing semantics here. We're reading into the potential/implied meaning of the words here. "Predominantly" seems to indicate that the institution which is predominantly white/black exists to serve the needs of a particular race.

Would you be offended if we were to drop the "HBCU" acronym and instead start referring to schools such as Howard as PBIs or "Predominantly Black Institutions"? I'm not sure that you would care either way, but what's your take on that?

PWI doesn't necessarily offend me. I'm really pretty indifferent. I don't tend to get bent out of shape about implied meanings unless they have some real effect. None exists here except that a few people I might call overly PC are happier. If they're happy and I get to remain indifferent, that's a win-win.

Drolefille · #**174** 05-24-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by jessikay1922
Quick question---

Do you all think that the terms PWI and HBCU were created by people on GC?????????????

No, though that doesn't make them inoffensive or appropriate. Same with WGLO.

PWI doesn't bother me in and of itself except that it isn't some sort of commonly used term by the institutions. That's why I challenged DSTChaos on that. WGLO offends me.

jessikay1922 · #**175** 05-24-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Drolefille
No, though that doesn't make them inoffensive or appropriate. Same with WGLO.

I don't use WGLO... and I don't think that I would use HWGLO either....

BUT I cannot see how PWI is either offensive or inappropriate. This is just a matter of statistics.

ETA: The term is used in academia to describe certain institutions.

DSTCHAOS · #**176** 05-24-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by jessikay1922
ETA: The term is used in academia to describe certain institutions.

Correct.

By others and themselves.

I never said that EVERY predominantly white institution refers to itself as such, but there are enough who do for the point to remain the same.

Drolefille · #**177** 05-24-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Correct.

By others and themselves.

I never said that EVERY predominantly white institution refers to itself as such, but there are enough who do for the point to remain the same.

Yet you have not given evidence of that. Despite what you may think, one grant request isn't evidence.

/heck I'm just glad you'll stop using terms that you've been repeatedly told were offensive

DSTCHAOS · #**178** 05-24-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Drolefille
Yet you have not given evidence of that. Despite what you may think, one grant request isn't evidence.

/heck I'm just glad you'll stop using terms that you've been repeatedly told were offensive

I can think of PLENTY of examples but I will not waste time posting them only for you all (who already have your OPINION that will not be moved by anything) to pick them apart over insignificant details. One grant request on OU's site pales in comparison to what some other PWIs have on their sites.

I never used WGLO anyway. I will try to remember to stop typing HWGLO but that partially depends on the discussion. I will continue to use PWI with no exceptions. Hope that clears things up for you.

DSTCHAOS · #**179** 05-24-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
PWI doesn't necessarily offend me. I'm really pretty indifferent.

Cool.

Drolefille · #**180** 05-24-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
I can think of PLENTY of examples but I will not waste time posting them only for you all (who already have your OPINION that will not be moved by anything) to pick them apart over insignificant details. One grant request on OU's site pales in comparison to what some other PWIs have on their sites.

I never used WGLO anyway. I will try to remember to stop typing HWGLO but that partially depends on the discussion. I will continue to use PWI with no exceptions. Hope that clears things up for you.

If it pales in comparison, just post one of those sites. If you could show me that it was used by universities to call themeselves predominantly white, I would in fact reconsider my opinion. I can't prove my side as it is not possible to prove a negative. You can only prove yours and you have fallen down on that.

It is sad to see that you are changing your previous statements already.