Abortion Tour?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by wrigley
There have been numerous stories recently about babies being abandoned by their birth mothers. One was found outside in FREEZING temperatures wrapped just a old bathrobe left to die had it not been discovered by a passerby. Another woman had enough sense to leave her twins ,a boy and a girl, in a church. However another baby was not so lucky and was found dead in a dumpster.

How do you think the kids will feel when they found out that they weren't wanted by their birth mothers or fathers? Do you think they are going to grow up and not be scarred by that?

Someone threw a newborn out of a moving vehicle not too long ago. The baby was apparently living when they did that but was found dead on the side of the road a few hours later.

Fire stations, hospitals, and so forth have baby drop-off boxes. That is sad to me because (unlike blobs of cells) these are living and breathing babies and not clothes to be dropped off at the Salvation Army. However, I understand that not everyone will seek out an adoption agency for their baby so having drop-off boxes are better than leaving babies in a dumpster.

These babies may not be scarred for life, unless people believe that all adopted children are scarred for life. With the assumption that these children don't live in foster homes all of their lives.

[irishpipes]

Originally posted by wrigley
There have been numerous stories recently about babies being abandoned by their birth mothers. One was found outside in FREEZING temperatures wrapped just a old bathrobe left to die had it not been discovered by a passerby. Another woman had enough sense to leave her twins ,a boy and a girl, in a church. However another baby was not so lucky and was found dead in a dumpster.

OK, Wrigley, despite the fact that you have my absolute favorite handle, I am going to have to take issue here. I don't think I need to say this, but being pro-life does not equal being pro-leaving your baby out to die. And it is incorrect to suggest that if we pro-life freaks won't let women have abortions that they have no other choice but to leave babies in dumpsters and churches. Abortion IS legal and you came up with these examples, so obviously these folks would do this under any legal scenario.

How do you think the kids will feel when they found out that they weren't wanted by their birth mothers or fathers? Do you think they are going to grow up and not be scarred by that?

I would rather be scarred by my parents' choices than dead because of them.

[irishpipes]

Originally posted by AXiD670
Every time a mother conceives it's by luck, wouldn't you say?

No, I wouldn't say that at all. I am glad that you are here though.

[amanda6035]

I think AXiD670s got a point. It IS lucky to get pregnant, because so many couples cant. Why abort a child when there REALLY are alot of people out there, desperate to have one of their own but they cant?

I know that adoption and foster care systems arent perfect, but nothing is. It's completely devastating to the couple who tries for years to have a baby, and then 15 year old girl gets pregnant and aborts it, when that child could have had a loving home. Boohoo that she would have had to "house it" for 9 months.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by amanda6035
I think AXiD670s got a point. It IS lucky to get pregnant, because so many couples cant. Why abort a child when there REALLY are alot of people out there, desperate to have one of their own but they cant?

Do you base all of life's decisions on how "lucky" you are as compared to those who are not? If so, that can be tiring and bothersome to have to always take millions of people into account before you make a move.

I don't believe in luck. I believe in blessings. I also believe in bad timing. If God's timing differs from my timing, I MIGHT just go with my timing depending on a number of factors. If that is against God's will then I'll be punished by God because of it. I won't be punished by the government or by people with differing opinions.

[wrigley]

Irishpipes, I respect the way you've presented your opinion. BTW, you're mailbox is full.

I presented these examples because even though these women chose not to have an abortion. They wanted to end and forget a unwanted child's life for whatever reason after they brought them into the world. Not every child is planned and wanted when they get here.

I don't think all pro-lifers are freaks by any means.

[wrigley]

Originally posted by amanda6035
I think AXiD670s got a point. It IS lucky to get pregnant, because so many couples cant. Why abort a child when there REALLY are alot of people out there, desperate to have one of their own but they cant?

I know that adoption and foster care systems arent perfect, but nothing is. It's completely devastating to the couple who tries for years to have a baby, and then 15 year old girl gets pregnant and aborts it, when that child could have had a loving home. Boohoo that she would have had to "house it" for 9 months.

Perhaps your perspective would change if you ever had to speak with a woman who had to give up a baby for adoption. I've never been put in that situation but one of my college friends did just that and not for money either. The psychological after affects are not pretty when you don't have the resources for support. The particular pro-life people who were so involved with her during the pregnancy were nowhere to be found a year later when she had her nervous breakdown.

The adoption and foster care systems have proven time and time again that their are very UNFIT people taking care of children.

[irishpipes]

Originally posted by wrigley
BTW, you're mailbox is full.

I don't think all pro-lifers are freaks by any means.

I'm clean now. Sorry.

Freak is just one of my words.

[IIOA]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
If you disagree with anything I've typed or didn't PERSONALLY get anything from this thread, I suggest you get over it. Don't be so vain as to believe that what you drink should make me urinate.

Thanks for the unsolicited advice. I'll take it for what it's worth - fatuous and anatomical nonsense.

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS Whenever you decide to shut up about this, just do so without announcing that you're about to do so. If you could do that for civilization's sake, that would be grrrrrrrreat.

*in best Office Space voice*
Aahhhh........yeah..........I'm gonna have to ask you to not worry about when or how I shut up. I'm just shedding light or sharing views, right? As far as civilization's sake goes, I'd say you've been most civil...

[amanda6035]

Originally posted by IIOA
...Office Space...

Best. Movie. EVAH!

[irishpipes]

Where's my stapler?

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
...To those who support abortion - Would it have been ok for your mom to have an abortion?? Do you like the fact that your mother had the choice to kill you before you were born? Can you honestly say that thinking about your mom having an abortion instead of having you doesn't affect you at all??

It honestly doesn't bother me at all to think my mother could have aborted me. That's just me.

If my mother got pregnant with me at 15 instead of 30, I think she might have had an abortion if she could have had one. Because at 15, my mother was living in an orphanage with her 6 siblings because her mother couldn't afford to look after her.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by IIOA
Thanks for the unsolicited advice. I'll take it for what it's worth - fatuous and anatomical nonsense.


*in best Office Space voice*
Aahhhh........yeah..........I'm gonna have to ask you to not worry about when or how I shut up. I'm just shedding light or sharing views, right? As far as civilization's sake goes, I'd say you've been most civil...

Great. Office Space is splendid.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by Rudey
Monet,
I just reject the argument of "it's my body and I can do whatever I want, whenever I want to it".

The fact is that it's not just your body that is effected.

Many people that are OK with abortions are not OK with late-term abortions, for the reason that it's not just the mother's body anymore.

Heck even if it was your body, laws regulate what you can do to it. We stop people from commiting suicide, ban drugs, and regulate the tattoo industry.

Also I find it interesting that a lot of women refer to someone getting an abortion as a mother while rejecting the notion that what they carry is a baby and a child. At the very least, it is a potential for life and at some point society deems it to be life itself.

I dunno Rudey? We actually jail people who snort crack and put folks into rehab if they do cocaine...

It is who and what that's getting the abortions that makes it a political issue aside from the fact that it has now become a religious issue.

It would be nice to know the true history of the issue if Roe vs. Wade does actually get overturned.

Originally posted by Rudey
There are other circumstances that you bring up but I don't like the "Killing two birds with one stone" approach. If there are women getting raped, more of an effort should be put into stopping that. If there are women's live being in danger through a birth, then more money should be put into research to prevent that. And if there are 12 year olds getting knocked up, someone needs to stop that from happening period. Abortion shouldn't be used as the stone that solves all these problems as well as ending an unwanted pregnancy.

Also, many women who are not in poverty, never been raped, nor participated in incest, bring those issues up as an emotional ploy. If we were to ask them "OK would you be willing to allow abortions for women who suffered that legal and for yourself illegal, would you accept?", I doubt they would accept. This is akin to the whole "They're killing women and children" argument to tug at someone's heart strings.

-Rudey

One those instances, I agree with you. We actually should address reasons why women are getting impregnated by rapists or knocked up 12 year olds. And studies have been done as to why these things are happening. A lot has stopped over the years because of HIV/AIDS.

But we have another generation of teens that has never heard of a life without anti-viral AIDS drugs and what that actually does to a child without AIDS treatment... Which means we have stopped some level of "condom promotion" in schools or what it really means to have sex with somebody.

So I dunno? We might see a spike in kids to offset the baby boomers that are all hitting 60. And if our troops actually do return home and decide to get busy...

What we won't anticipate is the number of female veterans that have encountered combat, then ask them to "sanely" raise a child without benefits, if we cut those monetary needs required...

What does this havta do with abortion? Probably nothing.

But after this discussion on Nightline with this Dr. Harrison [sp?] in I think Arkansas or Mississippi, he was blunt... He said abortion is birth control, albeit a poor choice in birth control, but a very real option. And he's done 9 abortions on one woman...

Which to me makes the issue that most women are probably "sport effing" and go "oops" and just are not thinking who they are doing it with or care as to why. Most of women are poor or have low wage jobs that see this guy. And he said he'd rather see professionals do abortions than going back to the days of "back alleys"...

How do we really legislate morality? Folks just like fcuk... And we've been doing it and doing it for a very long time... Obviously, that carnal desire will not die anytime soon... So, how do we really stop folks from getting busy so that young women don't have a need for abortion?

That is my question.

[AKA_Monet]

So, what if like, from the book, Brave New World, any woman could "transport" her fetus to an "incubator" that could "harvest" the child at crop date?

Can you say cabbage patch?

Anyhow, I'm serious, what if a woman can rid herself of all her eggs as she so desires so that she can give any fetus to an incubator so that a child can be harvested?

And don't think that chit is not possible or way the hayle far off... I'd say some of us in this field will have a discovery in like 2-5 years, and there will be some "New World Order", growing embryos in petri dishes and implanting them into those Matrix power plant machines...

Sci fi will make it real eventually... Essentially making abortions obsolete... Abortion OB/GYN doctors will have to be boarded in "transplantation surgery"... And the grow characteristics of a fetus can be slowed down or sped up with the proper "nutrients"...

Of course interesting genetic mutations might be discovered during this process, but eventually be managed and eliminated...

But essentially, a woman doesn't have to carry a pregnancy if she chooses not to...

I'd say this process will absolutely occur within 50 to 75 years, if not sooner and in some cases, some of you folks lifetimes--where y'all be sayin' "in the good ole days, a woman had babies and iffin' they didn't want em, they had abortions and folks blew up clinics..."

And the great-grandkids will be like, "what? we didn't come outta the CP5000 model, how'd we have protection of the MspII silencing mutator that causes us to only use 10% of our brain power?"

"Gee, grandma and grandpa, were poor back in 2006..."