Tom Cruise & Katie Holmes

[kddani]

Originally posted by starryeyed
Good point, but bad press isn't necessarily helping his career.

Not hurting it either though. What person hasn't heard of the War of the Worlds movie now?

[starryeyed]

Originally posted by kddani
Not hurting it either though. What person hasn't heard of the War of the Worlds movie now?

True, but what director would want to shoot a movie with Cruise after his erratic behavior? Also he's losing fans-after the Brooke Shield's mess you couldn't PAY ME to ever watch another of his movies. Does anyone else feel this way or am I just weird?

[ZTAngel]

Originally posted by kddani
Not hurting it either though. What person hasn't heard of the War of the Worlds movie now?

Or Batman Begins.

I guarantee this publicity...errrrr....love affair is over by the time both their movies hit DVD.

[FSUZeta]

killarneyrose, my husband was a navy pilot and he and several of his squadron mates were(and still are) hot! and tom cruise ruined it all when he opened his mouth and gave interviews. what an arrogant s.o.b. he is. imho, too many actors and actresses get above themselves and feel that they can enlighten us(the ignorant, unwashed masses)on whatever they want to speak about. someone should get some duct tape and shut the boy up!

ps-and thank you for the snarkywood link. how hilarious!!

[midwesterngirl]

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
Either Tom is gay or asexual, or this is all for publicity like everyone has been saying. Although, neither one would surprise me.

Did you ever see the episode of the Simpsons where Selma marries Troy McClure to boost his career and cover up his weird fish fetish? That is what comes to my mind when I think of the TC/KH relationship.

I have read quotes where Katie talks about how she used to have Tom Cruise posters on her wall when she was a kid and dreamed one day of marrying him. Kelly Preston said the exact same thing about John Travolta,yet another Scientologist. I have also heard rumors that the Nicolas Cage /Lisa Marie Presley ended because he wouldn't convert. The whole Scientology doctrine is just bizarre.

[FSUZeta]

has anyone else commented on katie holmes escort on the european tour who is a scientology member? reminds me of old shows where someone falls prey to a cult and then the victim is always under the watchful eye of cult members. creepy!!

[James]

You are wierd lol.

His personal life doesn't effect his screen performance for me. And I am not a Tom Cruise fan.

Originally posted by starryeyed
True, but what director would want to shoot a movie with Cruise after his erratic behavior? Also he's losing fans-after the Brooke Shield's mess you couldn't PAY ME to ever watch another of his movies. Does anyone else feel this way or am I just weird?

[honeychile]

Originally posted by kddani
Not hurting it either though. What person hasn't heard of the War of the Worlds movie now?

Some of us are just keeping the remote a bit closer!

I didn't like this nutjob before, but he's giving a bad name to nutjobs!!

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by kddani
Not hurting it either though. What person hasn't heard of the War of the Worlds movie now?

Yeah, but are people going to see it?

[James]

ITs a Spielgberg movie, with Tom Cruise. Its also a remake of a very famous story. ITs going o be the Top grossing movie of the weekend I am sure.

Originally posted by Taualumna
Yeah, but are people going to see it?

[kddani]

to add to what James said, it also had the biggest budget of any movie ever made.

[James]

This is a really good post.

Originally posted by sugar and spice
The problem is that that doesn't prove that his intention with Scientology was to make money. Sure, the quote about "If I needed to make money, I would just start a religion" is telling -- but it happened earlier in his life and he could have had a change of opinion. Unless he speciifically said, "I made up Scientology completely in order to make money," we don't really know what his intentions were. The quotes by anti-cult movement leaders in the article are interesting but not exceptionally valid given that -- as religioustolerance.org points out -- most people who study the mind don't believe that "mind control" is possible, and those ACM leaders are a small and biased minority. Sure, it seems quite possible that Scientology uses unscrupulous means to make money or uses its money less than wisely, but at this point, there are few religions that don't.

It's more likely that unstable individuals (hello Tom Cruise!) are attracted to "cult-like" religions that require very deep commitments -- and thus are more likely to have problems with emotional development, mood or personality disorders, tendency to commit suicide, et cetera. Correlation (of emotionally disturbed individuals and Scientology -- or any religious group/"cult") does not equal causation. The stories I've read from family members of Scientology members who killed themselves (or allegedly killed themselves) usually paint pictures of individuals who were very troubled long before they became Scientologists. I'm not a professional or anything, but one might guess that they sought out a very involved, family-like religion because they felt like they were missing something at home. The story that opens this article bears that out, with a family that had no clue anything was "off" about their son until after he ended up dead. Sorry, but I don't buy the idea that Scientology was his only problem.

Not to mention that almost every religion, if not every religion, has been created or co-opted for the purposes of some greedy (or lustful, or power-hungry, et cetera) leader on some level or another. Joseph Smith?* Come on now. No religion is pure.

I certainly think there many things wrong with Scientology, a motivated-by-money factor being one of them -- but as Rob implied, if we're going to define Scientology as a "cult" than you have to put the LDS church in the "cult" category as well, along with a number of smaller sects of Christianity (and come to think of it, larger ones as well). And I don't think any of those groups deserve to be portrayed in the same light as, say, the Branch Davidians or Solar Temple or the People's Temple or whatever. And I certainly don't think "brainwashing" per se is at play in any form that even the most mainstream religions don't also use.



* I'm sorry to keep picking on the Mormons, but they are one of the religions I've read about in the most depth and I see many many parallels between them and Scientology, for better or for worse.

[lifesaver]

Originally posted by kddani
What person hasn't heard of the War of the Worlds movie now?

I've onyl seen the previews, and am familiar with the story, but liked the movie the first time when it was Independence Day.

[KillarneyRose]

Have any of you ever seen a Steve Martin/Eddie Murphy movie called "Bowfinger"? It was out sometime around the turn of the century. Eddie Murphy is this huge movie star who doesn't make a move without consulting the leader of the scientology-like cult he's involved in. Oh, and he thinks aliens are coming to get him.

It's one of the most hilarious movies I have ever seen (but, sadly, I don't think many others saw it).

[AOII_LB93]

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
Have any of you ever seen a Steve Martin/Eddie Murphy movie called "Bowfinger"? It was out sometime around the turn of the century. Eddie Murphy is this huge movie star who doesn't make a move without consulting the leader of the scientology-like cult he's involved in. Oh, and he thinks aliens are coming to get him.

It's one of the most hilarious movies I have ever seen (but, sadly, I don't think many others saw it).

Hilarious movie..I saw it in the theater when it came out.

Scientology is odd. My mom used to work with them back when she was in the computer biz and sold them tons of computer equipment. She said they were very secretive and there were places in their compound type thing that you needed high security clearance to get in and access.

And the Tom and Katie thing, hey more power to them if they are really in love, but I think she's just a beard.