Schools that need to open for NPC expansion

[Sassmofi]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Not going through eleven pages of previous posts, so this may have been asked/answered:

At one time recently University of Wisconsin at Whitewater was open for sorority extension. Their Fall 2014 numbers would still seem to indicate expansion should any NPC group be interested. Is this campus "too far" from alum group help to be viable? And AFAIK their long-time local sorority group was NOT asking to be made NPC.

ETA: the local sorority's Fall 2014 NM number from FB listing is 35. DZ got 37 and Tri Sigma took 29 (from IP's fantastic GC list).

I was on the expansion committee as an alumna (past advisory board member) before I moved out of the country. Only one organization submitted a packet and presented. It did not seem to be a fit at the time. I personally don't think the campus is ready. Quota had been around 50 for a few years and only in the 30's this year. I think quota in the 30's is a good number for this campus. All chapters tend to have spring recruitments with around 15-10 new members as they fall below total. I believe the houses hold 30-40 women and seem to have trouble filling them from time to time. If you would like to have a conversation via PM, please let me know. I can give more background that probably doesn't need to be out everywhere.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Not going through eleven pages of previous posts, so this may have been asked/answered:

At one time recently University of Wisconsin at Whitewater was open for sorority extension. Their Fall 2014 numbers would still seem to indicate expansion should any NPC group be interested. Is this campus "too far" from alum group help to be viable? And AFAIK their long-time local sorority group was NOT asking to be made NPC.

ETA: the local sorority's Fall 2014 NM number from FB listing is 35. DZ got 37 and Tri Sigma took 29 (from IP's fantastic GC list).

I wonder if the issues with NPC and RFM had something to do with groups not submitting packets (more than geography). Also, competing with a local that allows boys and booze? Not enticing.

[33girl]

And very old locals in that neck of the woods tend to have very involved alumnae and very deep pockets (which I'm sure goes for school donations as well).

You just have to learn how to deal with it and what does and doesn't work.

[kchaptergphib]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I wonder if the issues with NPC and RFM had something to do with groups not submitting packets... Also, competing with a local that allows boys and booze? Not enticing.

^ Those would be EXACTLY my thoughts, too.
Although I may be close geographically, I really know very little about how stuff functions at Whitewater, so I defer to Sassmofi, or others with more local, recent experience.
I would say, though, that the region should have enough alumnae in the area, with both Madison & Milwaukee nearby.
It was always my (again, no personal experience) impression that the university needed a bit more structure/NPC oversight/adherence to unanimous agreements for the system to be more healthy. But, again, just the impression I got.
Looking strictly at their pledge class sizes, I think that puts them about even with UW-Milwaukee and UW-Oshkosh (those three being the schools behind only Marquette and Madison in class sizes).

[Low D Flat]

I can't speak to attitudes of specific groups, of course, but it's less than an hour from Whitewater to Madison and just an hour from Whitewater to Milwaukee. Any sorority that's been at UW-Madison for a long time will have lots of alumni in those two cities. It's also a part of the country where people don't think that much of an hour's drive. This campus doesn't present the kind of logistical challenge or expense of, say, Northern Michigan University.

[33girl]

We have a goodly amount of alums from other WI ex-teachers colleges as well as this one, but I think that for right now we're focused on an impending colony that REALLY needs to go well and other newer chapters. Better conservative than biting off too much.

[DubaiSis]

This is a good explanation of why expansion is not necessarily a good choice based on formal numbers alone. If they are setting total after formal and yet ALL chapters are taking that many in the spring AND they're having trouble filling the house with just over half a pledge class, they have a lot of work to do before bringing anyone else to the party.

[Low D Flat]

I believe the houses hold 30-40 women

I have only seen the houses from the outside, but the DZ and AS houses, at least, are single-family homes. Tri-Sigma's house is bigger, with about 25 beds. http://royalpurplenews.com/?p=13527

[Sassmofi]

Originally Posted by Low D Flat

I have only seen the houses from the outside, but the DZ and AS houses, at least, are single-family homes. Tri-Sigma's house is bigger, with about 25 beds. http://royalpurplenews.com/?p=13527

Please tell me more about a chapter I have personally advised as I must be totally wrong.

I was one of the CAB members for Tri Sigma for a few years and have been in the house many times. There may be 25 living in the house in the Spring because of singles paying more or the live outs paying more in parlor fees.

The Delta Zeta house may look like a normal house from front but it is not much smaller than Tri Sigma.

Alpha Sigma is more of a traditional family style home but still on the larger side.

The PHC needs to start evaluating total after formal every year as this would limit spring informal. Spring informal often times has quota set also. It would help greatly if they started using RFM. They still hand bid match. I think they might had more interest for presentations if they had a detailed past 3 years of recruitment statistics. In the past, women have gone unmatched even when maximizing options. NPC made several recommendations to the campus which have not been implemented.

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[Low D Flat]

Please tell me more about a chapter I have personally advised

You advised all three chapters? Maybe DZ put on an addition since I saw the house, or they have an annex. They've got some lax fire codes in that county if 30+ women live in the house I saw (it's gorgeous and I was admiring it, so I went all the way around, viewing it from every angle). It looks the same on Google Earth as when I was there last.

[sigmagirl2000]

Originally Posted by Low D Flat

You advised all three chapters? Maybe DZ put on an addition since I saw the house, or they have an annex. They've got some lax fire codes in that county if 30+ women live in the house I saw (it's gorgeous and I was admiring it, so I went all the way around, viewing it from every angle). It looks the same on Google Earth as when I was there last.

Am I the only one who thinks it's a little strange for non-members to be walking around chapter houses studying them from every angle?

[Low D Flat]

Fans of Victorian architecture are strange? Guilty, then. I do this with lots of beautiful buildings. I'm often taking pictures, too. Total sucker for a good Queen Anne over here. Bring on the wooden lace, gables, turrets, dormers, etc.

[sigmagirl2000]

I don't find being a fan of architecture to be strange. Rather I find it strange that someone would be walking around and photographing a house on private property, especially one housing ~25 young females.

If someone was walking around my house photographing it, you can be damn sure I'd be uneasy about it. Likewise if there were people walking around and photographing a house of a chapter I advise.... you can guarantee I would be reporting it to campus police/ security asap.

[33girl]

Before this escalates like whoH

Is UW-W appreciably larger than the other UW-insert town here schools or are these much larger totals and quotas a random anomaly?

[als463]

Originally Posted by sigmagirl2000

I don't find being a fan of architecture to be strange. Rather I find it strange that someone would be walking around and photographing a house on private property, especially one housing ~25 young females.

If someone was walking around my house photographing it, you can be damn sure I'd be uneasy about it. Likewise if there were people walking around and photographing a house of a chapter I advise.... you can guarantee I would be reporting it to campus police/ security asap.

Sorry Low D Flat but, I'm gonna' have to go with sigmagirl2000 on this one. If someone was walking around taking pictures of the sorority house where I help advise, I'd be pretty creeped out and also call the police. Though architecture is very interesting, you still have to think about it from the perspective of the young women living inside--especially in this day and age after that guy in CA went on his rampage against sorority women.