Initiation Cost?

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally posted by 33girl
Kidding but kind of not. Seriously, for a lot of people who don't have relatives or people they know who were involved in Greek life, they have no idea how much it costs, and that's why it's wisest to tell them up front. Even if I had a daughter at this point and she was going to say U of Penn, I would have no idea how much it costs, because the housing figures into it and it's a completely different kind of campus than my alma mater.

Some people might not join because it's too expensive...better to know in advance, then to initiate and get in over your head and have to terminate because you don't have the money.

That was going to be my response too.......the ability to pay the dues is important.

Those going through recruitment find out during recruitment. Those not going through don't need to know.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Drolefille
That's an grant request hosted on ou.edu's website, written by a professor (and several graduate students) who is attempting to recieve money and will be running a study. Not an official university document.

I'm not denying the term isn't used by people, but not by universities as descriptors for themselves.

it's used as a scientific statistic, is that what you mean?

[unknown2u]

***DISCLAIMER***
Please know that DSTCHAOS does not speak for all NPHCers and that her opinions and ignorance should not reflect how African American Greeks or non greeks act. I personally am annoyed by her as well. Thank you!

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally posted by PerfectVerse06
I just meant that they can look up the information in order to get a ballpark figure of what the costs may be. Even if they get information that states that the costs are more than they may actually be at the chapter on their campus, at least they have an estimate to work from instead of being completely in the dark. Can't be anything wrong with having a lil more money saved up, it can go towards buying cute paraphrenalia or whatever you heart desires to do with it. And if the costs quoted on a website are a little less than what you'd have to pay, you'll know exactly how much more you'll need. I just think that having some kind of idea of how much it would cost you would help you rest a little easier.

Usually the collegiate panhellenic puts out information on all of the NPC groups and gives it out to the women going through (though it's usually a range).

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Drolefille
But you'd still insist on calling NPC orgs WGLOs.

It turns it into an "us vs. them" mentallity when one isn't needed.

I usually just say NPC and IFC. If a more racialized distinction fits the discussion then I always type "HWGLOs" and not "WGLOs."

It isn't "us vs. them" at all. These terms are not universally offensive and were never intended to be offensive. Agaaaaaaain, those of you who are offended, your offense is duly noted. I will make note to try to remember not to type it ON GreekChat. What else?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by unknown2u
***DISCLAIMER***
Please know that DSTCHAOS does not speak for all NPHCers and that her opinions and ignorance should not reflect how African American Greeks or non greeks act. I personally am annoyed by her as well. Thank you!

DUH.

Thanks for the disclaimer. People were confused until you came forward. Now please visit the ignore function.

[kddani]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
It isn't "us vs. them" at all. These terms are not universally offensive and were never intended to be offensive. Agaaaaaaain, those of you who are offended, your offense is duly noted. I will make note to try to remember not to type it ON GreekChat. What else?

Funny, we've had this discussion on NUMEROUS occasions in threads where you have directly been involved. It has been explained to you many times why it is offensive and you have been more than politely asked to refrain from referring to NPC groups in that way. However, you refuse to do so and it reflects upon you poorly and demonstrates your ignorance.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Drolefille
That's an grant request hosted on ou.edu's website, written by a professor (and several graduate students) who is attempting to recieve money and will be running a study. Not an official university document.

I'm not denying the term isn't used by people, but not by universities as descriptors for themselves.

The distinction you are attempting does not even make sense in the grand scheme of things. Either case, there are other universities who refer to themselves as PWIs, which is what OU was doing (whether it be to receive money or not).

[Drolefille]

Originally posted by 33girl
it's used as a scientific statistic, is that what you mean?

Actually based on that, it's being used as an operant definition. They're going to be defining what they (the people running the study) determine to be "Predominantly White Universities" and comparing them to whatever their other definitions are. Your definition would probably vary as would DSTChaos's. I would doubt that any of those institutions would actually call themselves Predominantly White.

/psychology statistics came in handy for something

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Drolefille
That's an grant request hosted on ou.edu's website, written by a professor (and several graduate students) who is attempting to recieve money and will be running a study. Not an official university document.

I'm not denying the term isn't used by people, but not by universities as descriptors for themselves.

Also, the acronym is not used. Since that's what's at issue (not the stringing together of three words) I think it matters.

Of course, why does it even matter at all? Would everyone be pretty well indifferent if we started to refer to HBCUs as PBIs? There might be some concern over the word "predominant" indicating that one race is somehow "dominant" which seems to say that the institution is governed by the needs and wants and aims of a certain race.

Are semantics really all that important? Especially when the distinction is so fine?

[unknown2u]

Originally posted by kddani
Funny, we've had this discussion on NUMEROUS occasions in threads where you have directly been involved. It has been explained to you many times why it is offensive and you have been more than politely asked to refrain from referring to NPC groups in that way. However, you refuse to do so and it reflects upon you poorly and demonstrates your ignorance.

DITTO!!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by kddani
Funny, we've had this discussion on NUMEROUS occasions in threads where you have directly been involved. It has been explained to you many times why it is offensive and you have been more than politely asked to refrain from referring to NPC groups in that way. However, you refuse to do so and it reflects upon you poorly and demonstrates your ignorance.

"I usually just say NPC and IFC. If a more racialized distinction fits the discussion then I always type "HWGLOs" and not "WGLOs."

Agaaaaaaain, those of you who are offended, your offense is duly noted. I will make note to try to remember not to type it ON GreekChat. What else?"

****In case you missed it.****

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally posted by KSigkid
Most probably have other orgs info on file, so they can say "We have the most affordable dues/one of the most affordable dues/etc."

Exactly.....that's what ours uses it for. You need something when people are screaming about the increases.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Also, the acronym is not used. Since that's what's at issue (not the stringing together of three words) I think it matters.

Ohhhhh---that's the difference? Please, people.

PWI, predominantly white institution, predominantly white university, predominantly white college---same thing.

The end result is the same with or without the requested examples--as I predicted it would be.

[unknown2u]

well you did not say before that you would refrain in using such acronyms until now. Saying duly noted doesn't mean that you apologize that you will discontinue using offensive and inaccurate terms. So thank you now for clarifying what you plan on doing after you duly noted....