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[KillarneyRose]

Although I'm not against women showin' their stuff in Playboy, I can't believe the stupidity of the sorority members who have done so and then claimed to be surprised when their Nationals start expulsion procedures against them.

There are sororities that don't allow their members to smoke while standing or to drink alcoholic beverages out of the bottle, yet these girls are shocked when posing naked or nearly naked in a mens' magazine is frowned upon??

I also have to wonder what exactly these women expect to come from their posing? It's not for the immediate money ($150 clothed, $250 topless and $500 nude in 1989). Do they think Eileen Ford is going to see the issue and say "Oh my gosh, it's the next Claudia Schiffer with a staple in her bellybutton!"

Maybe it's a form of self-validation being asked to pose for Playboy? I sure hope no woman gets her primary sense of self esteem based upon something like that. Sure, the women in the "Girls of the..." issues are pretty but, hey, it's college! Most girls that age, with professional hair and makeup, are pretty. Any one of my sorority sisters could have had her picture in Playboy, guaranteed, if they had chosen to show up at the cattle call. (well, not everyone I guess since they wouldn't have had space enough)

And the most irksome thing is that some of them try to fight the expulsion. How long has Playboy been doing "Girls of the (whatever conference)" pictorals? A pledge in my sorority did the "Girls of the Big East" issue 12 years ago and fought her expulsion and lost. I'm sure that dozens of women have done the same thing since and I would be shocked if anyone actually had gotten back in after being expelled. Do the girls that pose now actually think it won't happen to them?

I guess my point is just, go ahead and do it if you want to. Just know that it probably will not lead to stardom, and if you are in a sorority you will most likely be kicked out.

[Richard(SNU)]

I just read the article... Is it true about Phi Mu and the Doublemint Twins?

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by KillarneyRose

There are sororities that don't allow their members to smoke while standing or to drink alcoholic beverages out of the bottle, yet these girls are shocked when posing naked or nearly naked in a mens' magazine is frowned upon??

There are really sororities that REQUIRE that? Most women I grew up around follow those rules, but I've never known them to be required. That's really interesting!

[FuzzieAlum]

OK, I've noticed that (warrning - generalization ahead) most of the men in this thread think posing in Playboy should not deserve expulsion, whereas most of the women do. So how about this:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/4pm/on...ylor%20Playboy

Frat Suspended Over Playboy Photo
Wednesday, August 28, 2002
Last updated at 10:03:44 AM PT

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WACO, Texas -- A fraternity was suspended from Baylor University for a year after a picture of some members - fully clothed - appeared in Playboy magazine.

About 50 men and four women, all students at the time, posed on a sand volleyball court, some wearing Sigma Phi Epsilon T-shirts and others waving Baylor pennants.

A student who has since graduated posed nude for another photo and used an alias. The pictures are in the October issue featuring the Big 12 conference.

Officials at Baptist-affiliated Baylor called it a salacious publication and said it runs contrary to the school's ideals. In the past, Baylor administrators have threatened to expel any student who poses for the magazine.

Larry Brumley, a university spokesman, said discipline for the students appearing in the October issue could vary. He declined to elaborate, citing federal student privacy laws.

Elizabeth Norris, a "Playboy" spokeswoman, said some fraternity members called the magazine about a month ago and asked editors not to run the picture.

Sigma Phi Epsilon members at Baylor declined to comment.

[The1calledTKE]

Thats stupid they guys were not even naked. Last year there were several pictures taken at the TKE house in the girls of the SEC issue. At least 20 Tekes were in the picture with some nude girls and nothing happened to them which is the correct action. I wonder if anyone will make a big deal about pictures at the Kappa Sig house in the girls of the October 2002 Big 12 issue.

[MoxieGrrl]

If those guys were just posing fully clothed and not surrounded by naked women, I do not see the big deal. As it has been pointed out, Playboy can be touted as a literary magazine.

However, those two girls mentioned in iamachiogirl's posts....well, who needs a sorority when Playboy is going to open up the world of high fashion modeling to you?

[Lady Pi Phi]

It wasn't the fraternity that suspended them it was the school. They were suspended for sexual misconduct on the school's code. Maybe they should have been more careful when posing for playboy at a baptist university.

[TKE_EO303]

2 points about Baylor and Playboy:

1. People who go to Baylor make a promise to keep certain standards. If they won't or can't keep those standards, then they should not go. To go, and then purposely break those standards is an act of dishonor. Acts of dishonor are beneath the offical standards of all national fraternities and sororities with which I am familiar, including my own (TKE).

So the moral of the story -- If you want to pose naked for public titilation, go to ASU or USC, not Baylor.

2. As far as the Tekes cited above, all I can say is that it's obvious we have a double standard. A woman who poses nude for playboy is not considered a lady and expunged from her sorority and fraternity. A man who reads or views playboy is just considered a natural man. Of course he is into porn. He's a man. It's expected. It's expected by his brothers, and to be honest, it's expected by all of the sorority/fraternity women. Of course, the women shake their heads and talk about those "bad boys." Yet, they can't wait until the next party or mixer to associate with us.

In my view, a bunch of Tekes taking pictures with playboy (with clothes or not) violates Teke standards. I won't recite them here, you can go to www.tke.org. I am sure the events at Baylor also violated their national standards. In theory, the moral standards for male fraternities are not different than for female ones. But, in practice, standards are a joke among male fraternities. None of us really believe or follow them.

What is surprising to me is not that we don't follow them (after all, most people will do whatever they are allowed to get away with), but that the women tolerate it. They can't get enough of us "bad boys." And to me, that makes them even more pathetic than we are. You have to get some credit for knowing who you are: "To thine own self be true." At least we admit we are pigs.

[The1calledTKE]

Well it must not be against TKE IHQ standards because they are well aware of the picture and even a few guys that work for IHQ have congradulated them on it. No Grand officers that I am aware of but who knows?

[TKE_EO303]

Congratulated them on it? Exactly! Which was my point.

[The1calledTKE]

The Baylor thing is crazy. In the current issue OCT 2003 the girls of the Big 12 there are pictures at 4 different fraternity houses. One at the Colorado Chi Psi house, The Texas Tech Kappa Sigs, the Baylor Sigma Phi Epsilon's, and Oklahoma States SAE's. I am sure the Baylor group will be the only one that gets in trouble because of the school's relgious orgins.

[Tom Earp]

ZEKE, Read earlier Post I just put up on the same subject!

Got PM from some one who wonder why I used Tombstone!

Splained it to him, never heard back so far!

Tombstone!

Yo Bro!

Give Hugs to N!

[iamachiogirl]

Can a sorority get in trouble if a guy wears their letters in playboy? I just wondered because one of the Kappa Sigma men has on a very visable AXO shirt.

[iamachiogirl]

Did anyone notice that half the girls bio's mention greeks?

http://www.playboy.com/on-campus/features/big12/

[iamachiogirl]

If you ladies are crazy enough to pose here is an application.

http://www.playboy.com/on-campus/col...ide/apply.html