Survivor: Redemption Island

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

It's supposed to. Matt is actually demonstrating well what a Christian life SHOULD be like. It SHOULD be like the girl with the new boyfriend that's so excited it's all she can talk about. That is MODEL Christian behavior. Not that Matt hasn't slipped a few times, but for the most part, "Well done, good and faithful one". Too many Christians are scared to act like that, because people WILL be off-put, think they're weird, or even persecute them. Jesus even told us in the Bible that it would happen, but we're supposed to follow him completely anyway. It kinda makes me sad that Matt can do this on national TV, and sometimes I have trouble doing it just in front of the people in my life.

I’m not off-put, think he’s weird, or wanting to persecute him. If that’s how someone wants to live their life, that’s fine. I just don’t want to watch it unfold on television. That’s just my own personal preference, and again, I meant no offense to anyone. I’m just simply explaining that the reason why some people who aren’t religious (and yes, I have talked to others about this.. but I certainly refuse to speak for everyone) can’t seem to get on board with Matt is because that’s all he’s ever talked about on the show. And I really don’t care if it’s religion, or a boyfriend, or anything else someone could possibly get excited about, if they talk about that one thing, and ONLY that one thing ALL THE TIME, it does get tiring listening to it.

But hey, that could just be me.

Having said that, I can completely understand this…

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Clearly, we're getting an edit -- we see 40 minutes out 2-3 days each episode. So I do imagine that for any survivor, it's unfair to assume that the little bit we see is all there is to them. The editors show us what they think makes a good story arc, and I think SydneyK is calling it exactly right as to where they're headed.

We do only see a fraction of these people’s lives in each one of these episodes. It could very well be that Matt has talked for hours in front of the cameras, but we only get to see the few times he has mentioned anything having to do with religion. Regardless, I wish they’d show him talking about something, ANYTHING else… if he does in fact talk about other things.

Ok, back to the show…

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

The previews are such teasers, but next week may be very interesting for Rob - ?

In reference to what he said at the very end of the preview immediately following the show (and I can’t remember his exact wording), I think he was implying that the other tribe members are starting to talk and work with each other, which is something that they’ve just figured out how to do. If that’s the case… it took them long enough! If I were Rob, and I made it to the finals to plead my case, I would definitely use to my advantage the obliviousness of my tribe. I would mention the last tribal council, and how not one person raised their hand when Jeff inquired about who thought they were in trouble. Rob has owned this game the whole way through, and I’d hate to see him go home now.

But I don’t really think it will happen.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I won't get to watch this week's normal episode until Thursday. I wonder if they're really going into the Finale Sunday with 8 people still "in play".

That's what Phil tweeted, I'm told. There are 9 now, so if one goes this Wednesday, that leaves 8.

You might enjoy this Ranking of the Final 9 at Reality News Online.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

That's what Jeff tweeted, I'm told.

fixed your post

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

fixed your post

LOL. Still have TAR on the mind, I guess.

[SydneyK]

Thanks for the link, MC - good stuff! What does the 'n/c' mean (in parentheses next to Rob's and Grant's names)?

Wouldn't it be great if one of the RI challenges involved having the RI-folk and Survivors pull rocks out of a bag, and those with black rocks returned to the beach and those with white rocks stayed on RI. I'd love to see a major switch up like that (I know it won't happen, and I know there are too many reasons not to do something like this, I'm just dreaming). Can you imagine how much that would screw with Rob's strategy? (I'd include other players in that, but Rob appears to be the only one with strategy, so he'd be the only one affected.)

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Thanks for the link, MC - good stuff! What does the 'n/c' mean (in parentheses next to Rob's and Grant's names)?

No change (from the rankings last week). Likewise, the +# or -# in parentheses next to others' names shows the change since last week.

[SydneyK]

Well, shucks. I like Grant. But I'm really hoping Matt can pull it off, so I hope Grant loses at RI. And let me just say that I'm liking the RI crowd (minus Andrea) more than the survivors.

I don't know. It's crazy how RI has affected this game. If it weren't a factor, I'd totally be pulling for Rob - his gameplay has been straight from the Survivor textbook. But as long as there's hope for Matt, and to a lesser extent Mike and now Grant, I just can't get behind Rob. Yet, at the same time, I can't dismiss the fact that he probably deserves to win. And I'm really liking him this time around.

Where's the conflicted emoticon?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Well, shucks. I like Grant. But I'm really hoping Matt can pull it off, so I hope Grant loses at RI. And let me just say that I'm liking the RI crowd (minus Andrea) more than the survivors.

I don't know. It's crazy how RI has affected this game. If it weren't a factor, I'd totally be pulling for Rob - his gameplay has been straight from the Survivor textbook. But as long as there's hope for Matt, and to a lesser extent Mike and now Grant, I just can't get behind Rob. Yet, at the same time, I can't dismiss the fact that he probably deserves to win. And I'm really liking him this time around.

Where's the conflicted emoticon?

I agree. With all of this.

[AGDee]

My problem with someone on RI winning is that they didn't really have to play all aspects of the social game. I also think they should be showing us more about what's going on over there rather than just the challenge. That would tell us whether Matt is playing a social game over there or not. Since most of the people there comprise the jury, it seems like we should be seeing how they are interacting with each other. RI changes the game significantly and may allow someone who was voted out of his own tribe not once, but twice, to win. That just doesn't seem right. I also don't like that only the person who comes in last leaves. I liked it better when it was one on one challenges over there.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by AGDee

My problem with someone on RI winning is that they didn't really have to play all aspects of the social game. I also think they should be showing us more about what's going on over there rather than just the challenge. That would tell us whether Matt is playing a social game over there or not. Since most of the people there comprise the jury, it seems like we should be seeing how they are interacting with each other. RI changes the game significantly and may allow someone who was voted out of his own tribe not once, but twice, to win. That just doesn't seem right. I also don't like that only the person who comes in last leaves. I liked it better when it was one on one challenges over there.

One could just as easily argue, though, that if Matt can win his way back into the game, then convince the jury to vote for him after spending almost the whole game AWAY from them, that he deserves to win just as much as anyone. That's what I like about Survivor - if you make it to the end, you've played the game well. Some do it through winning challenges, some stay below the radar, some befriend everyone, and some manipulate everyone...but in the end, the only way to win is for the jury to vote for you. If you can convince them to give it to you, you obviously deserve it.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by AGDee

My problem with someone on RI winning is that they didn't really have to play all aspects of the social game. I also think they should be showing us more about what's going on over there rather than just the challenge. That would tell us whether Matt is playing a social game over there or not. Since most of the people there comprise the jury, it seems like we should be seeing how they are interacting with each other. RI changes the game significantly and may allow someone who was voted out of his own tribe not once, but twice, to win. That just doesn't seem right. I also don't like that only the person who comes in last leaves. I liked it better when it was one on one challenges over there.

These two sentences conflict...if they have to play the social game on RI (which they totally should be), then they ARE still playing the social game - just in a different aspect.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by AGDee

My problem with someone on RI winning is that they didn't really have to play all aspects of the social game. I also think they should be showing us more about what's going on over there rather than just the challenge. That would tell us whether Matt is playing a social game over there or not. Since most of the people there comprise the jury, it seems like we should be seeing how they are interacting with each other.

Exactly. As I said a couple pages back...

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I think this would make it more interesting. Keep voting people out at tribal council until they’re down to 2 people, then have one giant challenge on Redemption Island to see who gets back in the game at the end. If they do this, though, they should start showing more of RI, and split the time between the people who are left and those that have been kicked out. Otherwise, us as viewers will have no idea what happened on RI, and understanding why people are voting the way they are during the Final 3 might be impossible.

We're now at a point where half of the people are at camp, and the other half are on RI. We SHOULD be seeing both.

[AlphaFrog]

Finale Reminder BUMP!!!

I'm still rooting for Matt to take it all, but I think if Rob makes it to the finals, he deserves to win because everyone else was stupid enough to let him get there!

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

These two sentences conflict...if they have to play the social game on RI (which they totally should be), then they ARE still playing the social game - just in a different aspect.

I missed this earlier in the week. One sentence says "all aspects". I was thinking about the fact that Matt has never been responsible for voting someone off. He has beat people in challenges, but that is more socially acceptable than voting someone off and people don't get mad when you beat them at a challenge.

I have a lot of questions about what goes on at RI. I believe they said that the people there are provided with everything the camp has. Does that mean food? What kinds of food? How much are they having to work together to get food, cook, etc.? The shelter was clearly there for them already so they didn't have to work on building that.

[AlphaFrog]

Well, crap, y'all...now who do I root for?