Biden / Palin VP Debate, Oct 2nd @ 9PM EST

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I don't know - maybe it was just me, but when Obama picked Biden my response was "WTF? That guy doesn't even like him!" Which, in turn, caused me to not like Biden and to scratch my head at Obama.

Well, Kennedy and Johnson didn't like each other either. Nothing new there.

For the flip side, my mother-in-law, a yellow dog Democrat if ever there was one and a Hillary supporter, was having a hard time warming up to Obama, mostly because of his relative lack of experience. Him picking Biden pulled her on board quickly, because she does like Biden.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Well, Kennedy and Johnson didn't like each other either. Nothing new there.

Good point.

I think I got Biden's and McCain's personalities mixed up when I didn't like him, FWIW. Nice to see Biden actually has a soul.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I missed the middle of the debate. I heard the first part on the car radio, got home and missed part while getting kids to bed, and then watched the last third or so.

I'd agree that the best thing he could do was not fly off the handle or say anything too stupid, and not say anything that could be construed as condescending, and I think from what I saw he pulled all that off well. While Sarah Palin's task was to do better than her interviews, Biden's task was not to blow it and he didn't. They both accomplished what they needed to accomplish.

We were watching it on CNN with their dial-meters for the panel/focus group in Ohio -- certainly an unscientific and limited group for statistical purposes. But it seemed that they typically reacted more favorably to Biden than Palin -- for her, the lines stayed flat quite a good portion of the time, particularly toward the end, while he was getting mostly positive reactions.

We had on the CNN feed at the law school; I was watching that for about a half hour before I headed for home. I listened while I was driving home, and then started watching at home again (on NBC).

Since you both watched and listened, I wanted to get your take on something. I found that Palin came off much better when I was listening to the debate, rather than watching it, while Biden was better on TV than on radio. Did you find something similar, i.e. a difference in their success depending on TV versus radio?

I may be a bit off, but that was my impression.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Since you both watched and listened, I wanted to get your take on something. I found that Palin came off much better when I was listening to the debate, rather than watching it, while Biden was better on TV than on radio. Did you find something similar, i.e. a difference in their success depending on TV versus radio?

Hmm. We thought that Biden didn't look at the camera enough -- he seemed to be talking to Gwen Ifell while Palin seemed to be talking to "us." He got better about that at the end, but my wife kept saying "look at the camera, Joe!"

I thought they both came off better on the radio. I dunno, though.

[WarEagle07]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I'd almost rather have a beer with Joe Biden. At least he's not going to say stuff like "OMG I'm a Hockey Mom!"

Hmmm.....
After this debate I think that I would rather have a beer with Gov. Palin. To me, Sen. Biden comes across as a person who is book smart but not necessarily someone I could relate to on any beer chugging level. Gov. Palin on the other hand seems like she would be someone who I could have a beer with and talk kids, life, and she would be fun. Now, being a lightweight, it would only take me half a beer before I started giving her unsolicited advice like 1. stop dropping your g's when you speak!! 2. stop winking, it's creepy. 3. enunciate!! enunciate!! enunciate!!! 4. It is not diplomatic to drop formalities like titles. 5. come up with some new material!! At this point she would probably have her secret service detail take me away, in which case my evening would be ruined. So I should probably share my beer with Biden instead........

[CrackerBarrel]

Her calling Biden "Joe" was the exact same thing as Obama calling McCain "John" last week while McCain said "Senator Obama" or "the senator" the whole time. In fact it wouldn't entirely surprise me if that had something to do with why they had Palin call him "Joe".

And was I the only one who thought it was awkward when Biden would say "That's the difference between Sarah Palin and Joe Biden and Barack Obama and John McCain."? He needed to find a connector other than "and" to replace some of those ands. It made it sound like he was saying that none of them agrees with anyone else in the race.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Her calling Biden "Joe" was the exact same thing as Obama calling McCain "John" last week while McCain said "Senator Obama" or "the senator" the whole time. In fact it wouldn't entirely surprise me if that had something to do with why they had Palin call him "Joe".

You could hear on her live mic when they came on stage that Palin greeted Biden by saying: "Nice to meet you" and "Can I call you Joe?" Interesting point about why she might have been calling him Joe, although I chalked it up more to the Hockey Mom persona she wants to foster.

I dunno, maybe it's just me, and maybe I'm a little old fashioned when it comes to things like this. I see a difference in Obama calling McCain "John," since they already know each other and are collegues in the Senate and peers, as it were. It sounds a little different to me coming from Palin, when they don't already know each other (as evidenced by the fact that they both commented that it was nice to finally meet) and don't have that pre-existing, collegial relationship.

But yeah, Biden needed to come up with a different way to refer to everybody.

And WarEagle07 . . . priceless!

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

You could hear on her live mic when they came on stage that Palin greeted Biden by saying: "Nice to meet you" and "Can I call you Joe?" Interesting point about why she might have been calling him Joe, although I chalked it up more to the Hockey Mom persona she wants to foster.

See, and the cynical side of me thinks she was just getting set up to pull out some of those one-liners that had been prepared for her that she felt she really needed to get in there -- "Say it ain't so, Joe!", etc.

[nittanyalum]

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Good debate.

I'm not a Palin fan, so I'm cheering for her to...not to further her political future.

I agree.

BUT

She held her own. Neither person answered any of the questions tonight....

I disagree. I think there were times when Biden was throwing her a rope and she was just too clueless to pick up on it. She could have done much better but she did not.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I disagree. I think there were times when Biden was throwing her a rope and she was just too clueless to pick up on it. She could have done much better but she did not.

Like when?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Like when?

Through the whole thing. It seemed to me especially when she did not answer the question, Biden would go back to answer the question in a way that she could effectively offer her rebuttal, but she said, 'Hey, I'm going to go back and talk about what I know - ENERGY!!' And to me, she did not do that too well.

And her whole 'folksy' talk, that got real old quick. Once or twice, okay, I could stand it, but not all the way through!!!! The VP may not do much, but it is still an important position. She just did not come off too polished, imo.

[DaemonSeid]

The Corpse isn't even COLD yet....lol

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol....explain.obama

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

DAMN!!

scroll down and watch the video

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_131655.html


and which one of these guys is Joe 6 Pack?





OOOOrrrrrr

[nittanyalum]

LOL. That guy's shirt is sick.