White men in NPHC

[L.O.C.K.]

I don't think whether or not the campus is HBCU or PWI has anything to do with it. I think it has to do with the specific members of that chapter being open to non-Blacks joining or not.

I know of chapters that have certain members who are vehemently anti-non-Black members, yet those chapters also have people who are vehemently for non-Black members.

People always question as to why I joined an Asian Fraternity. I'm used to it by now.

There will always be doubters and haters. But, when you prove them wrong by doing the right thing, ie living the Mission of your organization, while they just look on in their insecure anger, it does make you feel like you're doing the right thing.

Our organizations exist to fulfill missions and help certain groups of people. If a person is for my organization's mission, I am for them joining. If they are not for it, then they can go somewhere else.

[AKA_Monet]

Drolefille:

It was when the D9 stepped out of their boxes and were founded and chartered chapters on several PWI campuses where we were not allowed to participate in traditional greek rush parties. Moreover, none of our organizations were allowed to own houses near the colleges prior to 1930.

As such the National PanHellenic Council was started with 6 organizations to help foster our interconnectedness and mutual missions while there were members in various chapters at PWIs.

So, when a non-African American member displays or vocalizes interest to us, there is that entire history that some of us read while our membership intake processes about the NPHC and its reasons for organizing. That is why we question intent. That is why some refuse to vote in favor of certain potential members.

And really, it may be foul and offensive, but so what if someone choses not to vote for a non-African American member in a privately held organization? In the United States, we have the freedom to associate with whom we choose just like everyone else.

And even if you twisted it around and asked if an NPC organization chose not to select a Black girl simply because she was dark skinned, yes, there are groups that would cry "foul" and be upset by that if it ever got out.

Would members of the D9 be upset that a little Black girl did not get admitted into a NPC organization because she was voted down based on her race? Personally, IMO, I would not be terribly upset by that, saddened, yes. But read to march on Washington. No, not me.

Let's just say we pick our civil rights battles carefully... I think my Sorors Rosa Parks and Corretta Scott King would have plenty to say if they were alive today...

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Reds6

I'm not disputing that Non-Jews join Historically founded Frats and Sororities, but I'm sure when they do it's questioned why.

But we can continue to go back and forth and my position won't change. Although my orgnaization does except white members, my question will still remain why does a white person want to join a historically black Sorority? I wouldn't vote no for a white person soley based on their skin color but on my doubt of the level of committment they have to my community.

To be honest I think the same way. I was always really curious when I saw a black guy or girl rush NIC or NPC when the entire D9 plus several locals were on campus. In the end I found out that people would just go where they felt they belonged.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Drolefille:

So, when a non-African American member displays or vocalizes interest to us, there is that entire history that some of us read while our membership intake processes about the NPHC and its reasons for organizing. That is why we question intent. That is why some refuse to vote in favor of certain potential members.

I'm all for intent being questioned, but if a person can never satisfy you based on their skin color... I disagree with that.

And really, it may be foul and offensive, but so what if someone choses not to vote for a non-African American member in a privately held organization? In the United States, we have the freedom to associate with whom we choose just like everyone else.

Legally, sure. Ethically? Morally? I don't agree with it. Particularly when it goes against the values of the organization. I'm not saying recruit guys into a sorority, but when your organization says it welcomes women of all races and creeds (as mine does) you should follow that.

And even if you twisted it around and asked if an NPC organization chose not to select a Black girl simply because she was dark skinned, yes, there are groups that would cry "foul" and be upset by that if it ever got out.[

Would members of the D9 be upset that a little Black girl did not get admitted into a NPC organization because she was voted down based on her race? Personally, IMO, I would not be terribly upset by that, saddened, yes. But read to march on Washington. No, not me.

It's happened before when stories hit the news about people being dropped based on race. It gets coverage. People get upset. It's wrong whenever an otherwise wonderful candidate is dropped due to ignorance.

And I'm not marching on Washington either.

Let's just say we pick our civil rights battles carefully... I think my Sorors Rosa Parks and Corretta Scott King would have plenty to say if they were alive today...

And I've never compared this to a civil rights battle. It's not anything more than a discussion.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

To be honest I think the same way. I was always really curious when I saw a black guy or girl rush NIC or NPC when the entire D9 plus several locals were on campus. In the end I found out that people would just go where they felt they belonged.

Interesting as this has not been my experience. However the NPHC groups were city wide chapters and didn't meet on our campus and just weren't very visible there. Campus culture difference I guess.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Legally, sure. Ethically? Morally? I don't agree with it. Particularly when it goes against the values of the organization. I'm not saying recruit guys into a sorority, but when your organization says it welcomes women of all races and creeds (as mine does) you should follow that.

you realize you're comparing personal prejudices to organizational protocol? who are you to tell someone what they should do regarding membership into THEIR organization?

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm all for intent being questioned, but if a person can never satisfy you based on their skin color... I disagree with that.

Legally, sure. Ethically? Morally? I don't agree with it. Particularly when it goes against the values of the organization. I'm not saying recruit guys into a sorority, but when your organization says it welcomes women of all races and creeds (as mine does) you should follow that.

You do realize we are talking about a Sorority membership? I'm not saying I would hire a black person over a white person. I'm not saying I would stop a white person from living in my neighborhood. I'm saying I don't understand why a white person would want to be part of a HBGLO. We promote issues that affect and uplift the black woman and our community amongst other issues. I can't turn to a White Soror and speak about my experience as a black woman and expect her to understand because she's been there not just empathize. I don't care about a person's skin color. But I do know I can't separate my skin color from my ethnic or culture experience or identity. I grew up in a predominately white neighborhood, so my choice to attend an HBCU and join a BGLO was like going home to me, you wouldn't understand that if yo haven't lived it. You can't understand my struggle or that of my people if you haven't lived it. I don't care about what color a person is, but because I know the history of many BGLO's and our purpose of founding, I prefer to share that experience with my sister's of color.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

To be honest I think the same way. I was always really curious when I saw a black guy or girl rush NIC or NPC when the entire D9 plus several locals were on campus. In the end I found out that people would just go where they felt they belonged.

Yes, exactly --- you go where it feels right to be

[BabyPiNK_FL]

As a black NPC member, I must admit, having examined both, NPC was a much better fit for me!
I have a lot of respect for the history and hard work and community service of both groups.

[Laak 315]

Originally Posted by Reds6

You do realize we are talking about a Sorority membership? I'm not saying I would hire a black person over a white person. I'm not saying I would stop a white person from living in my neighborhood. I'm saying I don't understand why a white person would want to be part of a HBGLO. We promote issues that affect and uplift the black woman and our community amongst other issues. I can't turn to a White Soror and speak about my experience as a black woman and expect her to understand because she's been there not just empathize. I don't care about a person's skin color. But I do know I can't separate my skin color from my ethnic or culture experience or identity. I grew up in a predominately white neighborhood, so my choice to attend an HBCU and join a BGLO was like going home to me, you wouldn't understand that if yo haven't lived it. You can't understand my struggle or that of my people if you haven't lived it. I don't care about what color a person is, but because I know the history of many BGLO's and our purpose of founding, I prefer to share that experience with my sister's of color.

So because a white person doesn't necessarily understand what you have been through (i.e. struggle), you are willing to hold that against them and not allow them to be a member of your organization that they obviously wish to be a part of? You say you don't understand why a white person would want to be part of a primarily black organization. There is one black person in my fraternity that is active right now and I can honestly say that none of my brothers has questioned him as to why he joined TKE. We are glad to have him because of what he offers and because he is an all-around great guy. Are you saying that a white person can't be for a cause that black people are for? That seems ludicrous to me. I know plenty of sororities on my campus that are predominantly white, yet have members of other races as sisters. It works out fine. Yet, if one of these "white" sororities denied membership to a woman of another race just because of her race, I guarantee you there would be so many lawsuits that your head would spin. Why is there such a double-standard for an organization that consists primarily of people of a race other than white? You can deny membership to your organization and it seems fine. If a sorority on my campus did that, they'd be sued/suspended/kicked off, etc...I'm just not understanding why there is a double-standard...

[BlueNYC2]

smh...why ya'll still goin back and forth about this shit???

to the NPC members, just remember, that the few NPHC members on here dont make up even a .00001% of our respective orgs, except for the Iotas on here(just kiddin...i had to get that out of my system)...so they are not the reflection of the org or chapter as a whole.

[starang21]

LOL...i was waiting for the "we have three minorities in our house, one black guy, an asian guy and a hawaiian. we don't see skin color."

LOLOL

[Laak 315]

come to think of it...our's is kind of like that

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

come to think of it...our's is kind of like that

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Laak 315]

...including the Hawaiian

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by starang21

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Stop.