The 2008 presidential field at-a-glance

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

And failing miserably.

LOL. Yeah, but you keep at it, SEC, that's the important thing. Determination. It'll pay off in other ways.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

LOL. Yeah, but you keep at it, SEC, that's the important thing. Determination. It'll pay off in other ways.

Uh oh...I smell a motivation pic coming...hehe

[srmom]

In Texas, you just register to vote, not by party. When you show up at the polling place (at least at mine), you go either in the line to the left - which oddly is the republican line, or the one to the right, the democrat line. It's all in the same high school library, but on opposite sides. You can vote whichever way you want, but they fill in your information so that you can't vote in a runoff on the other side.

I doubt very seriously that the delegates of the republican party would deny McCain the nomination and give it to either Paul or one of the others who dropped out. For one thing, for the next few months up until the conventions, the republican party machine will now coalesce behind McCain and his running mate (whoever it will be), and will be running a full assault against the two democrats, Hill and Obama, who will be fighting against each other.

While Hill and Obama are spending their campaign $$$ smearing mud on each other, McCain will be setting himself up as "the statesman" above the fray. It would be better for the dems to broker some deal, because if not, they are going to waste months and money on the fight for the nomination - BUT, I don't see that happening.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by srmom

I doubt very seriously that the delegates of the republican party would deny McCain the nomination and give it to either Paul or one of the others who dropped out.

I doubt that the delegates would be that naive enough to believe that McCain would have any real chance against Hillary or Obama. But then again, stranger things have happened, and perhaps the GOP will be just gluttons for punishment, because trust, if McCain gets the nomination, expect him to get a severe @$$ whipping by either Hillary or Obama. McCain is Bush^10, only more dangerous and it appears that voters can see right through his facade. Perhaps that explains why his media coverage pales in comparison to Hillary and Obama.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by srmom

While Hill and Obama are spending their campaign $$$ smearing mud on each other, McCain will be setting himself up as "the statesman" above the fray. It would be better for the dems to broker some deal, because if not, they are going to waste months and money on the fight for the nomination - BUT, I don't see that happening.

I don't see that happening either... they will both fight until the bitter end I think.

Hill did hint to a joint ticket with Obama as her VP, but I don't think he'll go for it.

[srmom]

I doubt that the delegates would be that naive enough to believe that McCain would have any real chance against Hillary or Obama

That may be true, but I can't see the delegates so willfully disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of people nationwide who voted in the primaries. McCain won the majority of the votes, that's it. Ron Paul only got around 7% or so in each state - so it is kind of delusional to think/hope that the delegates would give him the nomination

The delegates are sent to the convention as representatives of the voters, supposedly they have some moral compass that would keep them from just getting together and saying, "to he** with what the voters want, we'll just pick whoever we want."

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by srmom

That may be true, but I can't see the delegates so willfully disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of people nationwide who voted in the primaries. McCain won the majority of the votes, that's it. Ron Paul only got around 7% or so in each state - so it is kind of delusional to think/hope that the delegates would give him the nomination

The delegates are sent to the convention as representatives of the voters, supposedly they have some moral compass that would keep them from just getting together and saying, "to he** with what the voters want, we'll just pick whoever we want."

The delegates' obligation to vote for McCain is only to the extent that they are a legally (as opposed to morally) bound delegate. That's it.

Ex. Ohio (I think) is a "winner take all" state. McCain won Ohio. But guess what? The delegates are under NO obligation to vote for him--Ohio's delegates are unbound.

The MSM is presuming that because Romney and Huckabee threw their support to McCain, their delegates automatically get assigned to McCain as if they are legally bound. Not so. Hence in part the presumption that the nomination is hemmed up. Those delegates can vote for whoever they wish, frontrunner status be darned.

IMO, I think the MSM's numbers on McCain's delegates are significantly, if not grossly, inflated. If McCain had the nomination locked up, we wouldn't have a need for a convention to decide it.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by srmom

That may be true, but I can't see the delegates so willfully disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of people nationwide who voted in the primaries. McCain won the majority of the votes, that's it. Ron Paul only got around 7% or so in each state - so it is kind of delusional to think/hope that the delegates would give him the nomination

The delegates are sent to the convention as representatives of the voters, supposedly they have some moral compass that would keep them from just getting together and saying, "to he** with what the voters want, we'll just pick whoever we want."

Particularly when things have ended up as decisive for McCain with GOP voters as they have, and he's polling as well against the Democratic candidates as he is.

It's not that I think he will necessarily win the general, but he won't end up with the GOP equivalent of of Mondale and Dukakis results, I don't think.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

All the sorostitutes and fratdaddies are overanalyzing everything again.

Uh...at a loss?

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I wasn't trying to imply that Barack Obama is a terrorist. What I WAS implying is that international terrorists groups that hate America would be thrilled to see Obama put in office, as opposed to McCain or Hillary.

Then just say this.

Osama Obama has been used over and over and it's usually used to play-up his name and the general fear of Islam, rather than a discussion of his views on terrorism. So there's no way to assume that you mean it differently than others have used it.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

All the sorostitutes and fratdaddies are overanalyzing everything again.

I wasn't trying to imply that Barack Obama is a terrorist. What I WAS implying is that international terrorists groups that hate America would be thrilled to see Obama put in office, as opposed to McCain or Hillary.

pssst ......guess what everytime you do the "Osama Obama" thing.....you aren't doing anything but helping it along....


try focusing on an issue.....a RELEVANT issue

[DaemonSeid]

and this is being whispered along

(US News) Senior Democratic strategists, many of whom had previously panned talk of a Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket, are now talking up the idea of a ticket headed by Barack Obama with Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

"The campaign has created a lot of hurts, but it might be the only way she can get to the top job," said a party strategist with ties to the Clintons.

"It would give her a chance to deal with all her negatives, but she'd have to prove herself in the job," said the strategist. Another suggested that the twinning is unlikely but might be the best way to rally the party against John McCain, the likely Republican nominee. "If it happened--if, if--they might be able to build on the change message by saying this is the biggest change in politics ever."

What's more, he said, by having Clinton as vice president, it would mean that former President Bill Clinton wouldn't have as large an office in the White House as he would as first husband, meaning his actions would win less attention by the media. Both Democratic and Republican lawmakers have said in the past that women face a glass ceiling in politics and that grabbing the vice presidency is the best way to break through.

Republican officials, told of the Obama-Clinton buzz, said that it would be an easy ticket to beat because it would include two very liberal candidates who've proposed massive new spending programs and who lack McCain's experience.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3900078.shtml

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and this is being whispered along

(US News) Senior Democratic strategists, many of whom had previously panned talk of a Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket, are now talking up the idea of a ticket headed by Barack Obama with Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

"The campaign has created a lot of hurts, but it might be the only way she can get to the top job," said a party strategist with ties to the Clintons.

"It would give her a chance to deal with all her negatives, but she'd have to prove herself in the job," said the strategist. Another suggested that the twinning is unlikely but might be the best way to rally the party against John McCain, the likely Republican nominee. "If it happened--if, if--they might be able to build on the change message by saying this is the biggest change in politics ever."

What's more, he said, by having Clinton as vice president, it would mean that former President Bill Clinton wouldn't have as large an office in the White House as he would as first husband, meaning his actions would win less attention by the media. Both Democratic and Republican lawmakers have said in the past that women face a glass ceiling in politics and that grabbing the vice presidency is the best way to break through.

Republican officials, told of the Obama-Clinton buzz, said that it would be an easy ticket to beat because it would include two very liberal candidates who've proposed massive new spending programs and who lack McCain's experience.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3900078.shtml

Interesting thought.
However, the POV of someone I know who is working for Clinton is that she will NOT take on the role of VP. And the person I know seems to be a a close "circle" as they seem to regularly have dinner with her.

But only time will tell.

[LeslieAGD]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and this is being whispered along

(US News) Senior Democratic strategists, many of whom had previously panned talk of a Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket, are now talking up the idea of a ticket headed by Barack Obama with Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

"The campaign has created a lot of hurts, but it might be the only way she can get to the top job," said a party strategist with ties to the Clintons.

"It would give her a chance to deal with all her negatives, but she'd have to prove herself in the job," said the strategist. Another suggested that the twinning is unlikely but might be the best way to rally the party against John McCain, the likely Republican nominee. "If it happened--if, if--they might be able to build on the change message by saying this is the biggest change in politics ever."

I think a Clinton-Obama ticket makes much more sense than an Obama-Clinton one. Hillary brings the experience and better policy ideas, and Barack is on the backburner "inspiring." I'm not a fan of Obama but, as a VP, he'd have a claim to experience and be in a perfect position to ascend to the presidency in 8 years. I would think that an intelligent Democratic party would see and encourage this as a way to control the White House for (potentially) the next 16 years.

[nittanyalum]

There's no having intelligent discourse with a zealot. Paul is a blip on the screen. He will never hold national office. KIM.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

There's no having intelligent discourse with a zealot. Paul is a blip on the screen. He will never hold national office. KIM.

Uhhh, he already holds a national office. He is a U.S. Representative (who btw secured his re-election to Congress).

P.S. Intelligent discourse isn't naively making decisions based on a biased source that are perpetuating myths, misconceptions, and half-truths and passing them off as fact (read: the MSM).

"We're not a respectable (TV) network. We're a whorehouse network. We take [ratings and profits] any way we can get it." ~Frank Hackett (Robert Duvall), from the movie Network.