Racism: It still does exist

[starang21]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Some of y'all need to look into what affirmative action actually does.

i know, right?

but this is GC, a haven for the uninformed AND strong opinioned.

it'd be nice if people with strong opinions would actually be correct, but hey i guess it's too much to ask. i guess people feel that their little personal experiences trump reality for the rest. quite ridiculous if you ask me.

[mulattogyrl]

Originally Posted by starang21

she's way to fly to sully herself with your ineptitude.

[mulattogyrl]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

people who are referred to as "fly," generally are not the ones I'm looking to be around.

Good. j/k

[shinerbock]

If you really think minorities always have to meet the same requirements as whites when applying for higher education, you're simply mistaken. I don't believe that fostering diversity, like in the Bollinger cases, is enough reason to favor black candidates.

[Tucker Carlson]

a buddy of mine goes to dental school here in the south and he told me that its basically impossible for a southern white male to get into his state's medical/dental school with a 3.5 gpa and a decent DAT score, but african americans with lower gpa's and DAT scores have gotten in over people with better scores, now if thats not lowering the standard i dont know what is - this is real life so believe it.

[isulady]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Some of y'all need to look into what affirmative action actually does.

Well from my understanding (if i'm wrong,please correct me) there are so few qualified black college applicants that college admissions people will accept some of those applicants because they need a diverse campus.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by isulady

Well from my understanding (if i'm wrong,please correct me) there are so few qualified black college applicants that college admissions people will accept some of those applicants because they need a diverse campus.

Affirmative Action has its weaknesses, I'll admit. But, consider what the purpose is.

Scenario 1: A white student and a non-white student are up for college admission. Both are well qualified (which is usually the case despite what you've apparently been told). Non-white student is chosen to bring a different perspective to the classroom, to better level the playing field and because the non-white student is all but guaranteed to work hard...that's what it takes for "minority" students to wade through white privilege and make it big.

Scenario 2: A white student and a less qualified non-white student are up for college admission. Look at the schools. Did the non-white student attend a school where the drop-out rate, teen pregnancy rate, etc. was through the roof? Did the non-white student have access to up-to-date technology and textbooks? How about the teachers? A non-white student coming out of such a school and still succeeding demonstrates determination which is vital for a successful college student. In this case, if the white student coming out of an average-performing high school has a 4.0, NHS, extra-curriculars, etc. and the non-white student coming out of a low-performing high school has a 3.5, lots of community service and leadership experience, (of course no extra-curriculars or NHS because the school can't support it), I wouldn't say the white student was more qualified simply based on paper stats.

ETA: Colleges look for more than good grades. They need people who will push through, graduate and become alumni who can give back to the school. Since this is GC, I had another thought. How many "minority" students do you see coming to college, not making it into a favored Greek organization and then dropping out? That's perfectly ridiculous! That person's spot could have been given to a more worthy individual. It just shows you the mindset of some individuals. Perhaps I just saw more of it at UGA and it doesn't occur at other universities...

[shinerbock]

Both of those scenarios are racist.

[mulattogyrl]

Originally Posted by isulady

I also believe that Affirmative Action does a disservice to the black students who the standards are lowered for because they may not be able to do college level work and it ignores the problem of why their grades are not up to par and prevents people from focusing on that. And to other posters who talked about racism still existing,yes it does but it does not prevent black people from achieving,we can succeed despite the racism and should focus on that instead of trying to eradicate all forms of racism (i know i'm getting off topic).Black people have succeeded in the past in the face of more overt and dangerous racism so there is no reason black people today cant.

Interesting point of view.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by bows&toes

This paragraph is too funny.

Because white people hold the power they are more racist? Thats complete nonsense.

I think in a lot of facets of society colored people have it easier. With the obvious example being affirmative action. You may get a job, admission to a university, etc. you didn't truly qualify for just because a place needs to fill quotas for race. (which I think is racism)

For an experiment, ask somebody (that will be honest with you) in upper management this question. "Is it easier to fire a black guy or a white guy?" They will tell you that even in states where a company doesn't need a reason to fire somebody, they have to have ALL their ducks in a row to fire a black guy. A white guy, they don't blink twice.

Think of open and accepted racism. Is it more socially accepted to hate on the "cracker" or the "nigger"? I'm sure me typing that word alone will ruffle some feathers, but we can have government officials (LA) go on national TV and make a statement that he will rebuild a city "chocolate". What if it was the other way around? What if a mayor said he wants to rebuild the city "vanilla"?

Racism is a scapegoat many people (blacks especially) use to blame their own failures on. Not in all cases, but in my opinion most of the time.


And don't get me started on the recent attempts to get reparations for slavery. It is laughable that a generation that never saw slavery is trying to get paid for it. I think the Chappelle show did a bit on this one. Jews don't get reparations, why the hell should you?

I know that this post is a few pages back but I just HAD to respond before I continue on with reading this thread.

Quotas DOES NOT EQUAL Affirmative Action; Quotas are unfair to EVERYONE.
Affirmative Action was meant to help correct the past injustices that DENIED Blacks and other minority (I HATE that word!) groups the same opportunities as the 'majority' group. If both a Black and a White applicant meet the objective criteria, why shouldn't the Black get the job/admission/etc, esp if Blacks are underrepresented? Neither applicant is more qualified than the other but, chances are, the Black had a harder time getting there due to folks with YOUR kind of attitude!

Next, any company that fires anyone SHOULD have all their ducks in a row, regardless of who the employee is! Fair is fair. Unfortunately, in the past, and even oftentimes inthe present, the Black was fired more easily because he/she often did not feel that the 'establishment' or even government would fight for their equal rights. In any instance where race plays a factor in employee performance evaluation, a neutral party should step in to ensure that fair is fair.

Finally, as far as reparations, if we had gotten our 40 acres and a mule when Emancipation came, we wouldn't even need to think twice about the issue of reparations today! Meanwhile, some families (mostly white) and many corporations are STILL living off the fat of our forefathers and denying us (see Affirmative Action discussion above) the fruits of our (ancestral) labor. However, I do not advocate for reparations for individuals but for institutions that are targeted to uplift the Blacks in this country such as historically Black institutions/schools/organizations, political awareness (NOT political parties) and economic development.

On to read the rest of this crazy thread.......

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Segregated, because white kids live in the suburbs and black kids live in the cities? Sorry, but I don't think I'm gonna start advocating government relocation so we can forcefully integrate communities.

Umm, for the last 30 years, white folks have been moving back into the cities and Blacks have been escaping to the suburbs.

Frankly, if folks want to live with their own kind, fine with me; I do!. The problem with segregation is that government spending (federal, state, local) is/can be disparate based on population demographics NOT objective factors such as tax base and geography. This practice has led to the 'seperate but unequal' facilities of the past which have filtered down to some of the inequities we see today.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by Tucker Carlson

actually in a study done in 2004 by the princeton review, African-American applicants usually receive over a 200 point advantage (230 to be exact) on their SAT's. women were not listed as getting any advantage.

Who allocated those points? Princeton Review, the schools, the government, the applicant?....??? 'Cause I didn't get mine!

[shinerbock]

Mccoy, poor areas have poor schools. You don't see areas that are chock full of wealthy kids with bad public schools, it just doesnt happen. I don't think it will ever be equal, nor should it be. People who settle in nice areas and take on a high tax burden should be rewarded with excellent schools. Why should the same people, often paying a high local tax for education, also take on the burden of kids in inner cities? Once again, it starts at home. The hearts of these students has to change before education can impact their lives. Likewise, the societies they live in have to stop attempting to pull them away from education. Parents are the key to all of this.

[RedefinedDiva]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Mccoy, poor areas have poor schools. You don't see areas that are chock full of wealthy kids with bad public schools, it just doesnt happen. I don't think it will ever be equal, nor should it be. People who settle in nice areas and take on a high tax burden should be rewarded with excellent schools. Why should the same people, often paying a high local tax for education, also take on the burden of kids in inner cities? Once again, it starts at home. The hearts of these students has to change before education can impact their lives. Likewise, the societies they live in have to stop attempting to pull them away from education. Parents are the key to all of this.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard in a while.

So, just because students are poor and live in poor areas, they shouldn't get quality education? Good education is a REWARD for being rich? Poor kids, who have NO CONTROL over the fact that they and their families are poor, should be doomed to "bad public schools"? Poor kids don't have the "heart" to learn? Likewise, just because a child is poor and may live in a poorer area, they are being pulled away from education?

I am flabbergasted....

[shinerbock]

Welcome to reality. You know why rich kids get good educations? Their parents pay for it. Kids in poor areas get fine educations too, when they work hard. Do you honestly think it is the teachers which lead to the poor education these kids recieve? No, it is their environment. They have few influences telling them that education is valuable, and often their family is among them. So what is it that you propose we do? Take some more money from wealthy families to improve inner city schools?