On hazing - Page 10

James · #**136** 10-11-2003, 02:52 PM

I am going to go out on a limb and say that men and women bond differently.

Most men would not willingly go through a sororities idea of a new member program. They might consider that kind of bonding to be uhm . . . haxing lol

Or at least anti-masculine.

For example: A lot of sororities seem to emphasize Crafts? Like making small little cute gifts for their littles and others.

That would be an unusual guy thing lol.

I think there is stuff that women would automatically think was hazing, that men would consider just normal.

Someone help me out with an example?

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Originally posted by Girlene
Gart, you must have been hit on the head during your "wonderful" hazing experience. So we'll show some grace and chalk it up as temporary insanity.

For the record, my pledge class had and still do have, a very close relationship. And we weren't hazed so your arguments carry no currency here.

In civilized worlds, we demonstrate our commitment to people and organizations by giving freely of our time, talent and treasure. We're there to celebrate good times and to comfort in bad times.

I don't buy for one second that hazing is needed to create a lasting bond of friendship.

James · #**137** 10-11-2003, 03:02 PM

Well. Again it depends. Can we use examples of actions?

Scene 1: Drunk at a party.
Interior night

Agressive buzzed brother: (in a drill sarjeant voice)Pledge Nimrod front and center. Do you want to be a member of my beloved fraternity?

Pledge Nimrod: Sir yes Sir. (or Yes Brother Buzzed)

Agressive buzzed brother: Then get me a beer now! Move Move Move!

Pledge Nimrod scurries into the kitchen and returns promptly with a brew

Agressive buzzed brother: Well done. (Turning to other watching brothers) I love this kid.

Ok is that hazing? That is, I believe, a realistic drunken scene at a party.

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Originally posted by ztawinthropgirl
Those who have been hazed and are proud of it need some serious soul searching and a therapist can help you with that. Just because someone is drunk isn't an excuse for their actions. Most individuals know how they act while they are drunk because someone has told them. I don't buy the whole drunk excuse. That's a bunch of crap. A spouse and child abuser is always an abuser drunk or sober. I know from experience!

gart · #**138** 10-12-2003, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by James
Well. Again it depends. Can we use examples of actions?

Scene 1: Drunk at a party.
Interior night

Agressive buzzed brother: (in a drill sarjeant voice)Pledge Nimrod front and center. Do you want to be a member of my beloved fraternity?

Pledge Nimrod: Sir yes Sir. (or Yes Brother Buzzed)

Agressive buzzed brother: Then get me a beer now! Move Move Move!

Pledge Nimrod scurries into the kitchen and returns promptly with a brew

Agressive buzzed brother: Well done. (Turning to other watching brothers) I love this kid.

Ok is that hazing? That is, I believe, a realistic drunken scene at a party.

Thats not hazing come on how can you consider something that couldnt possibly hurt someone hazing i hope no one out there would consider that hazing.

emb021 · #**139** 10-12-2003, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by James
Well. Again it depends. Can we use examples of actions?

Scene 1: Drunk at a party.
Interior night

Agressive buzzed brother: (in a drill sarjeant voice)Pledge Nimrod front and center. Do you want to be a member of my beloved fraternity?

Pledge Nimrod: Sir yes Sir. (or Yes Brother Buzzed)

Agressive buzzed brother: Then get me a beer now! Move Move Move!

Pledge Nimrod scurries into the kitchen and returns promptly with a brew

Agressive buzzed brother: Well done. (Turning to other watching brothers) I love this kid.

Ok is that hazing? That is, I believe, a realistic drunken scene at a party.

That would be considered hazing as you forced him to do personal service as a price of getting in. Most GLOs do not allow members to demain personal service of their pledges.

Tom Earp · #**140** 10-12-2003, 05:45 PM

Hazing! Da F**king Morons!

Have read in a weeks time of 2 LXA Chapters about 1 getting a Charter Taken back and another who is an Old line Chapter being investigated.

"WOW, I am really Proud of My Brothers who if it is true being My Brothers?

gart, and a few others, you are all morons!! See how many Chapters have been disinchartered! Who does that help?

Diner is burning, but this is very important to me! Period! I do not like to see a Fraternity Taken off Of Campus for being stupid!:

Get it together and learn!

If you aint there, you anint in the game!

HotDamnImAPhiMu · #**141** 10-12-2003, 07:03 PM

Technically, that is hazing.

ALTHOUGH....

I agree with James that men and women bond differently. On my campus one fraternity forbids their pledges from talking to women for a week.

The women -- primarily sorority women, actually -- take RUTHLESS advantage of this. All week long they find the pleges in the courtyard, sit in their laps, coo to them, offer to flash them "if only you ask us!", ask them on dates....

and there are more pledges in that courtyard during that one week than any other.

They certainly seem to bond -- with each other AND with the brothers -- over this. While I know it's hazing and shouldn't be supported... at the same time, I think I see more brotherhood that week between the guys than I do at any other time.

emb021 · #**142** 10-12-2003, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by HotDamnImAPhiMu
Technically, that is hazing.

ALTHOUGH....

I agree with James that men and women bond differently. On my campus one fraternity forbids their pledges from talking to women for a week.

My fraternity would view that restriction as hazing, as any rules that limit pledge's social activities are considered hazing.

gart · #**143** 10-12-2003, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by emb021
My fraternity would view that restriction as hazing, as any rules that limit pledge's social activities are considered hazing.

So what do your pledges have to do? Take a test, give you some money and you say welcome in :-\

cashmoney · #**144** 10-13-2003, 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by gart
So what do your pledges have to do? Take a test, give you some money and you say welcome in :-\

In my opinion, thats a bunch of bull$hit.

33girl · #**145** 10-13-2003, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by gart
So what do your pledges have to do? Take a test, give you some money and you say welcome in :-\

actually no, they work their asses off doing service projects.

emb021 · #**146** 10-13-2003, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by gart
So what do your pledges have to do? Take a test, give you some money and you say welcome in :-\

Nope. They have pledge requirements:

Do service hours.
Attend pledge meetings to learn materials & get tested on that.
Attend chapter meetings.
Plan and carry out their own service project.
Meeting the brothers.
Wear their pledge pin (within reason).
etc.

The details will very from chapter to chapter. But putting restrictions on their behavior is considered by our Fraternity (and others I think) as hazing.

decadence · #**147** 10-13-2003, 11:23 AM

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Originally responded by cashmoney
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Originally posted by James
Well actually lol. . . many people have at least partially abusive relationships with their SOs and their family. A lot of it looks like hazing or at least emotional abuse . . . but it does seem to bond the people closer together.
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Funny, I was thinking the same thing.

Umm yessss. I think you'll find that the victims generally become attracted to the perps when they're being pleasant. The darker side coming out later, their having "bonded" already. Otherwise it'd be easier for them to leave.

decadence · #**148** 10-13-2003, 11:29 AM

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Originally posed by cashmoney and gart: So what do your pledges have to do? Take a test, give you some money and you say welcome in :-\

Common greek question. That's not what people are saying. I commented on the same issue in the Zeta Phi beta forum around a week ago.

adpiucf · #**149** 10-14-2003, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by cashmoney
Doesn't take much for a Louisiana girl, does it?

Perhaps a Louisiana girl would be impressed. But I live in Los Angeles.

Why spend time and money recruiting quality members, only to beat them down and belittle them, operating under the belief that this abuse will make them life-loyal members?

Jump into the fray, if you must, as people will continue to support hazing. It is illegal by every ethics code at colleges and universities, and in many states, it has been declared illegal. Every NIC and NPC has set forth policies supporting these anti-hazing laws. Why jeopardize the parent organization and the memberships of every brother/sister in the sole interests of having a pledge push M&Ms down the street with his nose? Hazing is selfish, and anyone who participates in hazing has no care or concern for his GLO.

cashmoney · #**150** 10-14-2003, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by adpiucf
Hazing is selfish, and anyone who participates in hazing has no care or concern for his GLO.

Well, thats one opinion.