NYC community board OKs ground zero mosque plans

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by 33girl

What the hell is it?

Bombing 2 extremely well known buildings that everyone in the US can identify, and trying for a 3rd. I mean if a random person would watch a movie filmed in OKC in 1989, they probably wouldn't know which building it was that was bombed. If that same random watched a movie filmed in NYC and DC in 1999, they could easily pick out the WTC and the Pentagon and feel sad when they looked at them.

I absolutely agree with the rest of your post, but you asked why - simplistic as it is, I think that might be a big part of it.

Consider that larger numbers of victims leaves behind much larger numbers of relatives/loved ones to advocate for them as well. There's also the surreal "live" playout of 9/11 that is still seared in peoples conscious, as well as the fact that most americans probably feel 9/11 was a "bigger deal" than the OK bombing.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Consider that larger numbers of victims leaves behind much larger numbers of relatives/loved ones to advocate for them as well.

Does the larger number justify the increase the larger news/media presence?

There's also the surreal "live" playout of 9/11 that is still seared in peoples conscious,

This is a VERY good point . . .

as well as the fact that most americans probably feel 9/11 was a "bigger deal" than the OK bombing.

. . .while this basically says "RACISM".

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

. . .while this basically says "RACISM".

How do you figure? If the sole reason of thinking that 9/11 was worse than the Murrah bombing is because arabs did it, then yes.... but who really thinks like that? I'm in no way trying to diminish the tragedy in Oklahoma but it's doesn't quite stack up to the level of death and destruction we saw on 9/11 or even the aftermath. 9/11 changed this country on so many different levels. How many wars were started because of Oklahoma City?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

How do you figure? If the sole reason of thinking that 9/11 was worse than the Murrah bombing is because arabs did it, then yes.... but who really thinks like that? I'm in no way trying to diminish the tragedy in Oklahoma but it's doesn't quite stack up to the level of death and destruction we saw on 9/11 or even the aftermath. 9/11 changed this country on so many different levels. How many wars were started because of Oklahoma City?

Well, one possibility is, when the bombings first occured, the FBI did think it was possibly the same terrorists that bombed the WTC a few years before that happened. But the big part had to do with the fact that McVeigh was arrested almost 2hrs after the bombing and once the Feds were sure it was him..well. War averted until 9/11.

Also I think that the act itself, how it was carried out and the lack of safety measures we had at that point, regardless of how many who died was also what changed America.

Remember this, what's always been said is because of the time of day it happened, just think of how many more could have been killed had this been carried out later on in the day.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

How do you figure? If the sole reason of thinking that 9/11 was worse than the Murrah bombing is because arabs did it, then yes.... but who really thinks like that? I'm in no way trying to diminish the tragedy in Oklahoma but it's doesn't quite stack up to the level of death and destruction we saw on 9/11 or even the aftermath. 9/11 changed this country on so many different levels. How many wars were started because of Oklahoma City?

Why do you need to compare the two tragedies? They are both horrible events in the history of our country and can stand on their own.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

How many wars were started because of Oklahoma City?

We captured the guys involved and killed one of them. The two incidents are vastly incomparable.

What were we going to do, bomb Waco for good measure or something?

[agzg]

As long as you're not including Iraq in that "wars started because of 9/11" category....

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

What were we going to do, bomb Waco for good measure or something?

Wait, we had already done that.

Just to play Devil's advocate for PiKa, I would think that the comparisons made is due to how much change Americans went through after 9/11 and how much we all had been inudated with the face of Islam in some ways being associated (incorrectly) with terrorism.

the OK city bombings didn't change much except maybe how much more information that a car rental place needed to have on file, but 9/11 drastically changed so much more.

I think that is the point he was trying to make.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Wait, we had already done that.

Just to play Devil's advocate for PiKa, I would think that the comparisons made is due to how much change Americans went through after 9/11 and how much we all had been inudated with the face of Islam in some ways being associated (incorrectly) with terrorism.

the OK city bombings didn't change much except maybe how much more information that a car rental place needed to have on file, but 9/11 drastically changed so much more.

I think that is the point he was trying to make.

That's why McVeigh and Nichols were upset. Also they were crazy.

But see, it's different because it's foreign based terrorism vs domestic, and we hadn't seen anything like the attacks on September 11th here before, though other countries had.

Thing is, making it a great national wound in our side is the purpose of terroism. Rebuilding, moving on, and not living in fear or attacking each American Muslims is really the best way to "win."

Instead we still have Ground Zero instead of WTC+1 (which is what I would have liked to see, rebuilt albeit with better structural support and add one floor to each tower.), we're making American Muslims the target of our fear and anger, and we have to buy new shampoo wherever we travel because of the stupid TSA regulations.

In short, we didn't have to "change" nearly as much as we did.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

That's why McVeigh and Nichols were upset. Also they were crazy.

But see, it's different because it's foreign based terrorism vs domestic, and we hadn't seen anything like the attacks on September 11th here before, though other countries had.

Thing is, making it a great national wound in our side is the purpose of terroism. Rebuilding, moving on, and not living in fear or attacking each American Muslims is really the best way to "win."

Instead we still have Ground Zero instead of WTC+1 (which is what I would have liked to see, rebuilt albeit with better structural support and add one floor to each tower.), we're making American Muslims the target of our fear and anger, and we have to buy new shampoo wherever we travel because of the stupid TSA regulations.

In short, we didn't have to "change" nearly as much as we did.

Small correction, you forgot about Pearl harbor and how we set up 'camps' for Japanese Americans.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Small correction, you forgot about Pearl harbor and how we set up 'camps' for Japanese Americans.

Are you talking about the racism issue?

That was 70 years ago. I'd hope we'd made a little progress since then.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Are you talking about the racism issue?

That was 70 years ago. I'd hope we'd made a little progress since then.

It's still within memory but the ideology is still the same. Because of what Japan did at Pearl Harbor, made it bad for ALL Japanese people especially any Japanese Americans who were loyal citizen whose only crime was to have Japanese ancestry.

What is going on now isn't that much different.

What a handful did on 9/11 has Americans fearful of anything relating to Islam and Muslim culture.

We just haven't started locking Muslims up in camps yet.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

We just haven't started locking Muslims up in camps yet.

And we won't. But we don't have to to make them "the enemy"

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And we won't. But we don't have to to make them "the enemy"

We (you and I as well as likeminded people) won't, it's the idiots who are incorrectly protesting the mosque who already have.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

Why do you need to compare the two tragedies? They are both horrible events in the history of our country and can stand on their own.

I don't NEED to compare anything and I wasn't the one who even brought up OK in the first place