oh DAYUM!!! Bush almost got clocked by a SHOE

[agzg]

Alert: This thread has gone from alert level 3: Train Wreck to alert level 5: Down the Shitter.

All posters please proceed with caution.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Seid, dude, why do you pull out "proof points" that are demonstrably false? You clearly have the Internet, you could check the facts yourself, man, and it would ease board frustration like angry sex or yoga or something.

For example, even if we say it's cool to go with "lynched" with regard to Saddam Hussein (terrible choice of words, by the way), and you want to dispute the stated WMD rationale for entering Iraq, his death was purely a result of his own actions, as he is the most recent person on Earth to use chemical and biological weapons on humans (unarmed ones at that).

I went with the lynched term for a reason...trust, I knew what I was saying.

Regardless if we have the net or not, it doesn't make whatever point we are trying to prove 'true" am I correct?

I can post just as many links to support my argument just as easily as you can post the same amount to dispute it.

I really didn't bother because I didn't want to go down that road and be sidetracked on that topic (which could be and already has been clearly another thread) the main point we were supposed to be discussing before my 'deeper darker and even more obnoxious mirror image' derailed it was trying to get a grasp on the whole shoe throwing incident.

If we want to talk about the rationale behind the war, then let's dig that thread up and go there.

I don't want to discuss that here.

Thank you sir for bringing that up tho.

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

OK...dude, chick, whatever the fuck you are, here have the soapbox.

Hint, this thread isn't about Obama.

I don't recall asking you for an opinion about "What Obama Would Do" and personally don't give a shit about your assessment.

Nobody said 2 words about Obama beyond a hyperthetical sense so if you want to use this time to go Obama bashing, here ya go. Have at it.

Enjoy yourself.

Hahahahahaha I put one small thing about how I don't agree with Obama, yet I will support him because he is our President and I am Obama bashing. I was trying to show that I disagree with the man on personal and political issues, so that is no reason to bash him like you are bashing Bush.

If you really want to get particular, the thread was about bush almost getting hit by a shoe..... not Bush "lynching" Saddam (I agree with KSig RC...bad choice of words), not Bush Invading Iraq, and Not Bush Violating the Genva Convention.

Did you only read the last paragraph of what I said, or do you just having nothing to say about the rest because you can't respond to clear thinking and reason?

Have a good day

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by KappaKittyCat

The shoe-thrower was beaten in custody. Link is to BBC news.

Nice democracy we're building over there.

I KNOW! Most forget (or worse, intentionally leave out the fact) that before our malingering and misguided attempt to enforce our heathen Western ideals upon completely unwilling citizens, Iraqis had standardized modern universal health care, advanced women's rights, a general lack of police/military hostility toward large ethnic segments of the population, and an XBOX in every hovel.

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by ufpika

If you really want to get particular, the thread was about bush almost getting hit by a shoe..... not Bush "lynching" Saddam (I agree with KSig RC...bad choice of words), not Bush Invading Iraq, and Not Bush Violating the Genva Convention.

-All of which you brought up, so don't put that on me.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Regardless if we have the net or not, it doesn't make whatever point we are trying to prove 'true" am I correct?

It doesn't matter if the points you make are true? I mean . . . it does.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I can post just as many links to support my argument just as easily as you can post the same amount to dispute it.

No, you can't - you can't dispute a historical fact, only its interpretation, and I'll eat human poop if you can find anyone other than Chemical Ali himself who disputes that chemical weapons were used against Kurds under Hussein's rule.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I don't want to discuss that here.

You don't want to discuss facts here? OK, I mean, fine?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ufpika

Hahahahahaha I put one small thing about how I don't agree with Obama, yet I will support him because he is our President and I am Obama bashing. I was trying to show that I disagree with the man on personal and political issues, so that is no reason to bash him like you are bashing Bush.

If you really want to get particular, the thread was about bush almost getting hit by a shoe..... not Bush "lynching" Saddam (I agree with KSig RC...bad choice of words), not Bush Invading Iraq, and Not Bush Violating the Genva Convention.

Did you only read the last paragraph of what I said, or do you just having nothing to say about the rest because you can't respond to clear thinking and reason?

Have a good day

I just didn't bother to read your post.
And don't really give a shit about what you have to say.

Anything else you would like to add?

Are you 'showing' me the error of my ways or sum'n?

Keep moving.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

It doesn't matter if the points you make are true? I mean . . . it does.



No, you can't - you can't dispute a historical fact, only its interpretation, and I'll eat human poop if you can find anyone other than Chemical Ali himself who disputes that chemical weapons were used against Kurds under Hussein's rule.



You don't want to discuss facts here? OK, I mean, fine?

To clarify, I don't want to sidetrack and discuss (facts, opinions and conjecture) the Iraq war in this thread.

If that is ok with you.

And trust me we can agree on the whole chemical war thing but...just, not here.

[agzg]

Did anyone else notice that Bush looked slightly amused after dodging the first shoe?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

Did anyone else notice that Bush looked slightly amused after dodging the first shoe?

He was actually amused by it.

here you are:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BushL...6460837&page=1

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I just didn't bother to read your post.
And don't really give a shit about what you have to say.

Anything else you would like to add?

Are you 'showing' me the error of my ways or sum'n?

Keep moving.

If you don't give a shit about what I say, then why are you replying to me. Your 3rd grade games of "I dont care what you say" are stupid.

You got proven wrong and then moved on to the next subject, only to get shown that you are wrong again. I can do this all day... you make me laugh

[DaemonSeid]

An excerpt:

The hurling of shoes at Bush on his last visit to Iraq as president made an ironic bookend to one of the first images after the 2003 U.S. invasion, when Iraqi opponents of deposed leader Saddam Hussein toppled one of his statues in Baghdad and hit it with their shoes.

Zeidi attained instant hero status around the Arab world. At one Baghdad elementary school, a geography teacher asked her students if they had seen the footage of the shoe-throwing, then told them, "All Iraqis should be proud of this Iraqi brave man, Muntadhar. History will remember him forever."

In Baghdad's Shiite slum of Sadr City, thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burned American flags in protest of Bush and called for the release of Zeidi, a 28-year-old Shiite who works for the private Iraqi TV station Al-Baghdadia.

What made Zeidi's defiance particularly resonant for many was their anger at autocratic Arab leaders whom they have considered slavish followers of Bush's policies in the Middle East.



Abdel-Sattar Qassem, a Palestinian political-science professor at the West Bank's An Najah University, wrote in an online commentary: "Bush wanted to end his bloody term hearing compliments and welcoming words from his collaborators in the Arab and Islamic world. But a shoe from a real Arab man summed up Bush's black history and told the entire world that the Arabs hold their head high."

The Iraq war is the most prominent cause of Arab resentment of Bush. Even many who were outraged at Shiite and Sunni militant groups for the killing of civilians and sectarian strife that tore the country apart ultimately blamed Bush for unleashing the chaos. Some accuse his administration of fueling Shiite-Sunni tensions across the region.

More broadly, nearly every U.S. policy in the region became seen as part of a campaign to divide or subjugate Muslim nations, from Iran and Syria to Sudan and Somalia.

The Bush administration's "war on terror" was seen as a war on Muslims and Arabs in general, an image fueled by civilian deaths in Afghanistan and, in particular, the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

Bush was seen as heavily favoring Israel over the Palestinians. His administration's campaign to isolate the Palestinian militant group Hamas translated to the Arab public as an attempt to starve Palestinians in Hamas-ruled Gaza.


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...lysis1216.html

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ufpika

If you don't give a shit about what I say, then why are you replying to me. Your 3rd grade games of "I dont care what you say" are stupid.

You got proven wrong and then moved on to the next subject, only to get shown that you are wrong again. I can do this all day... you make me laugh

good for you...playmates are fun.

Glad to know I am entertaining you.

BTW I get outta here at 4, you wanna see me on the playground behind the building at final bell or you want to do this on the way home?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

OK...dude, chick, whatever the fuck you are, here have the soapbox.

Hint, this thread isn't about Obama.

I don't recall asking you for an opinion about "What Obama Would Do" and personally don't give a shit about your assessment.

Nobody said 2 words about Obama beyond a hyperthetical sense so if you want to use this time to go Obama bashing, here ya go. Have at it.

Enjoy yourself.

Good grief you've become the Mayor of Lameville.

This thread actually is about Obama because a general point is being made about respect for our presidents.

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

An excerpt:

The hurling of shoes at Bush on his last visit to Iraq as president made an ironic bookend to one of the first images after the 2003 U.S. invasion, when Iraqi opponents of deposed leader Saddam Hussein toppled one of his statues in Baghdad and hit it with their shoes.

Zeidi attained instant hero status around the Arab world. At one Baghdad elementary school, a geography teacher asked her students if they had seen the footage of the shoe-throwing, then told them, "All Iraqis should be proud of this Iraqi brave man, Muntadhar. History will remember him forever."

In Baghdad's Shiite slum of Sadr City, thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burned American flags in protest of Bush and called for the release of Zeidi, a 28-year-old Shiite who works for the private Iraqi TV station Al-Baghdadia.

What made Zeidi's defiance particularly resonant for many was their anger at autocratic Arab leaders whom they have considered slavish followers of Bush's policies in the Middle East.



Abdel-Sattar Qassem, a Palestinian political-science professor at the West Bank's An Najah University, wrote in an online commentary: "Bush wanted to end his bloody term hearing compliments and welcoming words from his collaborators in the Arab and Islamic world. But a shoe from a real Arab man summed up Bush's black history and told the entire world that the Arabs hold their head high."

The Iraq war is the most prominent cause of Arab resentment of Bush. Even many who were outraged at Shiite and Sunni militant groups for the killing of civilians and sectarian strife that tore the country apart ultimately blamed Bush for unleashing the chaos. Some accuse his administration of fueling Shiite-Sunni tensions across the region.

More broadly, nearly every U.S. policy in the region became seen as part of a campaign to divide or subjugate Muslim nations, from Iran and Syria to Sudan and Somalia.

The Bush administration's "war on terror" was seen as a war on Muslims and Arabs in general, an image fueled by civilian deaths in Afghanistan and, in particular, the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

Bush was seen as heavily favoring Israel over the Palestinians. His administration's campaign to isolate the Palestinian militant group Hamas translated to the Arab public as an attempt to starve Palestinians in Hamas-ruled Gaza.


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...lysis1216.html

And you support this shoe throwing, along with thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr that burned American flags in protest of Bush.

Damn dude, you keep good company.