SMU shuts down bake sale w/ race-based prices

[cash78mere]

Originally posted by 33girl
cash78mere,

your grandfather was Frank Sinatra?



When I hear Hoboken, the Chairman of the Board just automatically comes to mind (not to mention I'm trying to inject some levity into this thread).

actually the families lived in the same building! my grandfather's family was very close with frank's parents. he had met frank many times, but there was a big age difference. it's kind of a neat family story!

[cash78mere]

Originally posted by damasa
It was his dream to be a Dallas firefighter or just a firefighter in general? In my experience most just dream of being the firefighter and it doesn't matter where as long as they become one.

Now he has a higher paying job in the burbs so in a sense didn't this "example of AA" work in favor of your husband?

you have that much experience with firefighters' dreams? how many do you know--1 or 2? that was THEIR dream, not meremere's husband's dream. maybe it was HIS goal to be a dallas firefighter but not your friends'

[damasa]

Originally posted by cash78mere
you have that much experience with firefighters' dreams? how many do you know--1 or 2? that was THEIR dream, not meremere's husband's dream. maybe it was HIS goal to be a dallas firefighter but not your friends'

And how much experience do you have?

Either way that wasn't the point, the point is that I didn't understand the logic, I wasn't getting on her, I asked a few questions and made a statement. Oh, I think your caps lock is semi-broken as well


For the record I happen to know quite a few firefighters (more than 1 or 2). I also happen to know a few police officers. There is a case study out there somewhere (hopefully I will find it because I can back up my claims even though I am a busy person). discussing this very topic. For the most part, people that go into the field of firefighting of police work do it because it was derived from a dream. Maybe it was during childhood or maybe it was expressed later on in life but the "overall concept" of the dream was to just become a firefighter or police officer.

I also say this because it is very hard for a lot of ppl to find work as a firefighter or police officer and a lot of the time there isn't much room to pick and choose - goes along with the dream "of becoming so and so."

She said herself it was a blessing in disguise and indeed it was.
He gets paid more to risk his life less.

I am sure she sleeps easier now than she might have, had he become a Dallas firefighter, where it seems they battle far more fires in that sector as to where he is employed now.

[BobraFCD]

I have three thoughts after reading 10 exhaustive pages:

1. The Bake Sale: It's okay to charge white males higher prices as long as they explain in context that the white males had their flour given to them by their rich daddies, and the sugar was a freebie from their country club connections. A little tongue-in-cheek humor but I hope you get the point-their demonstration was one dimensional. They failed to show why different prices might have been necessary in the first place which shows me that they haven't heard one word the Supreme Court said in defense of AA.

2. If you're going to ban affirmative action, then you should ban neptocism, favoritism, sexism, glass ceilings, grandfather clauses, legacy policies and all the other back door ways people "get in" to college.
George W. Bush was not a scholar. It is well known that he got into Yale because his daddy and granddaddy pulled some strings after he was initially denied admission.

Affirmative action isn't perfect, but it's the best tool we have to counteract all the other isms no one seems to want to remember.

Where were the protests of "the system" from white affluent people when they were the primary beneficiary of it? I didn't see George W crying foul after daddy got him into Yale. Why? it was expected. He felt entitled because in his mind "that's the way it's always been done." The good old, it's not what you know, but who you know, rearing its ugly head. Where were the bake sales protesting the special advantages they received purely because they were born into the "right" kind of family?


3. Historically, women and people of color have always had to fight for justice and equality. It was never offered freely, and there was always resistance and bloodshed. If it weren't for the government putting policies in place to force change in behavior, we'd still be dealing with segregated restrooms. With the enforced policies, over time came some change in attitudes.

But those of you opposed to affirmative action are asking women and people of color to let go of a policy put in place to protect us from all the forementioned isms. Are we supposed to "trust" all of a sudden that we will be treated with equality and that mankind will miracuously treat everyone with respect and equality without a public policy in place? I don't have that much faith in mankind.

[starang21]

Originally posted by BobraFCD
I have three thoughts after reading 10 exhaustive pages:

1. The Bake Sale: It's okay to charge white males higher prices as long as they explain in context that the white males had their flour given to them by their rich daddies, and the sugar was a freebie from their country club connections. A little tongue-in-cheek humor but I hope you get the point-their demonstration was one dimensional. They failed to show why different prices might have been necessary in the first place which shows me that they haven't heard one word the Supreme Court said in defense of AA.

2. If you're going to ban affirmative action, then you should ban neptocism, favoritism, sexism, glass ceilings, grandfather clauses, legacy policies and all the other back door ways people "get in" to college.
George W. Bush was not a scholar. It is well known that he got into Yale because his daddy and granddaddy pulled some strings after he was initially denied admission.

Affirmative action isn't perfect, but it's the best tool we have to counteract all the other isms no one seems to want to remember.

Where were the protests of "the system" from white affluent people when they were the primary beneficiary of it? I didn't see George W crying foul after daddy got him into Yale. Why? it was expected. He felt entitled because in his mind "that's the way it's always been done." The good old, it's not what you know, but who you know, rearing its ugly head. Where were the bake sales protesting the special advantages they received purely because they were born into the "right" kind of family?


3. Historically, women and people of color have always had to fight for justice and equality. It was never offered freely, and there was always resistance and bloodshed. If it weren't for the government putting policies in place to force change in behavior, we'd still be dealing with segregated restrooms. With the enforced policies, over time came some change in attitudes.

But those of you opposed to affirmative action are asking women and people of color to let go of a policy put in place to protect us from all the forementioned isms. Are we supposed to "trust" all of a sudden that we will be treated with equality and that mankind will miracuously treat everyone with respect and equality without a public policy in place? I don't have that much faith in mankind.

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