Rice U lacrosse: ditto - Page 2

RiceLax · #16 03-28-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by kddani
i HIGHLY doubt that state law does not apply to private institutions. I've never heard of such a thing. Please cite to me a source that tells you this.

So if you kill someone on campus, you'll only have to face murder charges on campus and not in the state of Texas? I doubt that.

I also don't get that you said you didn't think it was hazing, but then admitted that it met the definitions of hazing.

I was misinformed. Someone told me that TX state law on hazing only applied to public institutions, and private institutions dealt with matters themselves. This is incorrect, the law applies to all educational institutions.

What happened met the University's definition of hazing, which is in my opinion too vague.
What happened was not hazing. Nothing was required for membership on the team other than paying dues and showing up to at least a few practices (though some guys didn't even do that but still played).

And Rice is a fine, unstanding, private university. We're not religiously affiliated, though.

Tom Earp · #17 03-28-2005, 08:43 PM

? Then Where Does Get Their Money?

RiceLax · #18 03-29-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
? Then Where Does Get Their Money?

Come again?

TxAPhi · #19 03-29-2005, 12:46 AM

LOL! I think he is looking for this - http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~instresr/ricefacts/ - click on 'Resources' - scroll down to 'Sources of Operating Revenue'

RiceLax · #20 03-29-2005, 12:50 AM

oh, where we get our money?
$3billion endowment for 2800 undergrads. you do the math.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to argue earlier, I just wanted to offer my view of things as a student and "victim" of hazing.

roqueemae · #21 03-29-2005, 12:42 PM

Honey, get used to it. If you had questions because the code of student conduct was too vague, then you should have asked questions ("Dean, are we allowed to handcuff and give new members fifths of hard liquor to drink? We will ask their permission first") Sounds logical right?

hoosier · #22 03-29-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by RiceLax
oh, where we get our money?
$3billion endowment for 2800 undergrads. you do the math.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to argue earlier, I just wanted to offer my view of things as a student and "victim" of hazing.

You won't find much hazing sympathy here.

You may be typical of the freshman hazee: "I'll get even next year" and usually next year is 10% tougher than this year. Probably if you looked back a few years, each couple was given a pint, not a quart.

Perhaps if Rice hadn't caught you, next year each couple would have to drink a quart and swap clothes.

RiceLax · #23 03-29-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by hoosier
You won't find much hazing sympathy here.

You may be typical of the freshman hazee: "I'll get even next year" and usually next year is 10% tougher than this year. Probably if you looked back a few years, each couple was given a pint, not a quart.

Perhaps if Rice hadn't caught you, next year each couple would have to drink a quart and swap clothes.

I'm not looking for sympathy. Read what I wrote. I'm here to offer my view. It seemed like you discussed issues with hazing here, someone posted about our story, and I'm here if anyone wanted to hear about what happened in detail.

And no, I don't plan on "getting even." In years past, things were worse, from what I was told.
I came here looking for intelligent discussion, and I'm being scolded for it.

roqueemae · #24 03-30-2005, 12:05 PM

You are trying to make it seem like it is okay. THAT is what you are being scolded for.

Tom Earp · #25 03-30-2005, 07:05 PM

RiceLax,

I think roqueemae said it very nicely.

If you act like hazing is an OKAY thing on GC, there will be spike marks up your back.

Yes it does happen and it has happened to all of our Chapters.

We in our little way are trying to get the point across that this isnt a proper vestige to present.

Now if you would like to present some more and better ideas, or questions, We will all try to be of service.

roqueemae · #26 03-31-2005, 01:51 AM

Thanks, Tom. Big kisses!

Kevlar281 · #27 04-06-2005, 03:38 PM

The thing that strikes me as odd is that a Rice Student would even find this story to post on. For those that don’t know Rice is adamantly anti-greek and I find it odd that any Rice student would be on greekchat.

RiceLax · #28 04-08-2005, 12:21 AM

initially there was no media coverage of our story at all. none. things were kept really quiet.

Then a few news stations and the houston chronicle came to a small protest held on campus, and once the story hit the AP wire things were all over.

I google the subject every few days just to see what people are saying and who's covering it and whatnot. I find it interesting.

Anyway, we're lucky that Rice has never had an alcohol related death. We, the Lax team, made some mistakes, and things like this will never happen again with our team. I think other organizations on campus have learned from our situation as well...
I was under the impression that consent was at least a mitigating circumstance when it came to hazing. I assumed that my friends wouldn't get in trouble for what I did because I knew what I was doing and made a conscious decision as an adult to attend the party and do what I did. Guess I was wrong... Too bad we had to learn that the hard way. But at least no one was seriously hurt.