Rush-related questions - Page 2

gpb1874 · #1 03-17-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Little E
Sorry-mis-read

gpb- i thought there wasn't npc at your school while you were there?

there wasn't....i worked in the student activities office next to the greek advisor for 3 years after i graduated and i was a chapter advisor for 3 years. now i'm at a different campus and am the greek advisor. the green book is my friend......

honeychile · #2 03-17-2005, 01:35 PM

Without knowing all the details, and not having a Green Book handy, I'm betting that ABC had X amount of bids to hand out. Stargrl's hesitancy to accept the bid was probably misconstrued as a "no", so that bid was probably extended to someone else - who accepted it right then and there.

I could be wrong, and I'm sure that this breaks a few thousand NPC rules, but that's what this sounds like to me.

Is the chapter in question now at quota/total? That would finish the story.

PsychTau2 · #3 03-17-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by honeychile
Without knowing all the details, and not having a Green Book handy, I'm betting that ABC had X amount of bids to hand out. Stargrl's hesitancy to accept the bid was probably misconstrued as a "no", so that bid was probably extended to someone else - who accepted it right then and there.

That's what I was thinking when I said they might have given out too many bids.

As far as how long a bid is good for...I think each National Organization sets the time limit for accepting a bid (I don't think the Green Book specifies that). However, once she signs and accepts the bid, she must start the NM process within one year of accepting the bid (ex: If a girl accepts a bid in November, but doesn't start the NM process until January). I'm not quite the NPC expert I want to be yet, though....

PsychTau

33girl · #4 03-17-2005, 03:03 PM

You have either 24 or 48 hours to accept an open bid, I forget which.

At any rate, if you (the sorority you) know you can give out X number of bids...you WAIT THE APPROPRIATE TIME to see if people sign them. If they don't, THAT is when you move forward and offer someone else that declined bid. You do not give more bids than you have open spaces. You can't pressure someone into "well, you didn't sign it right away so we found someone else who would!" - that's the same as hotboxing which as we all know is a giant NPC no-no.

From the sound of stargrl's story, they didn't even wait 24 hours. That is completely unacceptable.

honeychile · #5 03-17-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl

From the sound of stargrl's story, they didn't even wait 24 hours. That is completely unacceptable.

Absolutely! And I certainly don't agree with how this was handled. I was just supposing how this error happened.

Peaches-n-Cream · #6 03-17-2005, 03:25 PM

This has got to be the weirdest thing that I have ever heard in terms of recruitment.

33girl, what is hotboxing? I'm not familiar with the term. Thanks.

33girl · #7 03-17-2005, 04:17 PM

huh, huh, huh, you said hotboxing

No seriously...it's where several chapter members surround a rushee and pressure him/her to accept a bid. Using a "first come first serve" policy sounds like a variant.

Peaches-n-Cream · #8 03-17-2005, 04:39 PM

thanks.

CAREPHISIG · #9 05-09-2005, 10:44 AM

....hotboxing - apparently you don't have a very controlled recruitment. Why in the hell would a PNM want to join an organization where people are yelling @ them & pressuring to make a decision???????come on people!! Think!

TSteven · #10 05-09-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by CAREPHISIG
....hotboxing - apparently you don't have a very controlled recruitment. Why in the hell would a PNM want to join an organization where people are yelling @ them & pressuring to make a decision???????come on people!! Think!

My guess is that most likely, yelling is not involved - just pressure. At least that is the way it might allegedly happen with respect to fraternities.
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As a follow up to this, does "hot-boxing" apply to family members?

For example, if you were to go to a family reunion and had sisters, your mother, both grandmothers, aunts, cousins etc. who are all ABCs and they were pressuring you to join ABC. Would that apply as well or does "hot-boxing" refer only to actual recruitment by the specific chapter? And if it is the specific chapter, what if some/most/all these relatives were from the same chapter? Where does NPC draw the line between a family member discussing their sorority experience with their sister/daughter/et al. and "hot-boxing"?

And could sorority rush "hot-boxing" also apply to guys? i.e. If a bunch of guys surrounded a girl going through rush and basically told her she should go ABC? Even if they weren't doing so on behalf of the ABC chapter?

aopirose · #11 05-09-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by TSteven
My guess is that most likely, yelling is not involved - just pressure.

That's right. Usually, it's subtle. Like, "Well you know, we really want you and we think that you are a PERFECT ABC. You're smart, pretty, and outgoing. We know you think that you're considering XYZ but TRUST us, you won't fit in there. You really belong here."

As far as family ties are concerned, it can be a fuzzy line. If it is at a family BBQ, I don't consider that hot-boxing. If it is during recruitment then that is another story. Some schools allow alumnae members to participate heavily in recruitment and not just behind the scenes.

I was at an Alumnae Panhellenic funtion and a woman there had a daughter who pledged her sorority at an out of state school. She was telling us all about how her daughter was torn between her legacy and another group. Mom grabbed her ABC sister-in-law and drove to the school for prefs. During ABC pref, mom and SIL pulled Suzy to the side after all the emotional speeches. Mom looked her directly in the eyes and said, "God made us mother and daughter but only YOU can make us sisters." Poor kid didn't stand a chance. That is the Ultimate hot-box situation. Could the chapter get in trouble? Well maybe but who is going to turn their mother in? To avoid these types of situations, some schools limit alumnae members present in the room to only a chapter adviser.

CAREPHISIG · #12 05-09-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by aopirose
That's right. Usually, it's subtle. Like, "Well you know, we really want you and we think that you are a PERFECT ABC. You're smart, pretty, and outgoing. We know you think that you're considering XYZ but TRUST us, you won't fit in there. You really belong here."

As far as family ties are concerned, it can be a fuzzy line. If it is at a family BBQ, I don't consider that hot-boxing. If it is during recruitment then that is another story. Some schools allow alumnae members to participate heavily in recruitment and not just behind the scenes.

I was at an Alumnae Panhellenic funtion and a woman there had a daughter who pledged her sorority at an out of state school. She was telling us all about how her daughter was torn between her legacy and another group. Mom grabbed her ABC sister-in-law and drove to the school for prefs. During ABC pref, mom and SIL pulled Suzy to the side after all the emotional speeches. Mom looked her directly in the eyes and said, "God made us mother and daughter but only YOU can make us sisters." Poor kid didn't stand a chance. That is the Ultimate hot-box situation. Could the chapter get in trouble? Well maybe but who is going to turn their mother in? To avoid these types of situations, some schools limit alumnae members present in the room to only a chapter adviser.

WHAT!! That is *&^*& insane!! Hello Verbal Abuse!

33girl · #13 05-09-2005, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by CAREPHISIG
....hotboxing - apparently you don't have a very controlled recruitment. Why in the hell would a PNM want to join an organization where people are yelling @ them & pressuring to make a decision???????come on people!! Think!

They screamed because Greek Advisor Carnation caught them - screamed as in "oh @#$% we are so busted!!" They didn't scream at the PNM.

adpiucf · #14 05-09-2005, 02:42 PM

CAREPHISIG,

Hotboxing can happen quite innocently and sorority women are trained so it doesn't happen and lead to a rush infraction and fine! Sometimes it is an honest timing issue. IE-- If there is a higher number of sorority women in a side room to number of PNMS, or a sorority woman is alone in a room with a PNM, it is considered hotboxing--- it can happen innocently enough on a house tour where someone walks in to show off a bedroom, and the other sister/PNM walk out. I can remember being in mid-sentence showing someone a room and having to keep an eye on the other people in the room--- sometimes racing my PNM back out of the room because the other pair walked out and to the next place on the house tour.

Zillini · #15 05-30-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by aopirose
I was at an Alumnae Panhellenic funtion and a woman there had a daughter who pledged her sorority at an out of state school. She was telling us all about how her daughter was torn between her legacy and another group. Mom grabbed her ABC sister-in-law and drove to the school for prefs. During ABC pref, mom and SIL pulled Suzy to the side after all the emotional speeches. Mom looked her directly in the eyes and said, "God made us mother and daughter but only YOU can make us sisters." Poor kid didn't stand a chance. That is the Ultimate hot-box situation.

I've never understood this. Granted my Mom was the first woman in her family to go to college and she was a GDI, so I never had any pressure. But even still I don't understand why anyone would want to force their child to pledge ABC just because they were. Don't you want your kid to be happy? Maybe ABC was the best sorority on campus 18 years ago when you were there, but times change. Who knows what it's like today. Plus, chapters can be radically different from one campus to another.

Anyways back to the original topic, I'm really interested to hear how this all turned out. Major NPC violations and I'm sure whichever GLO it was, their Nationals would be none to happy either. Stargrl272, maybe you could post an update.