Roll Call!!!!

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Ronso
Here's the perspective of someone who has no clue what's going on and hopes not to know.

Now to be a bit more serious. I don't know if it's been mentioned or not, but I think one thing people need to recognize is that everyone who posts here and is in a org represents not only their org but all greek life. Sure it's one thing to say that in the Risk Management or sex threads, but try and keep that in mind in ALL of your threads. Removing a GLO or changing a name won't really amount to squat if Johnny and Suzy GDI/PNM waltz in here and see a bunch of squabbling greeks.

This is something we should always keep in mind. It's not Johnny and Suzy who are of concern, but maybe their parents who are trying to get a read on this Greek System. Or your own parents. It isn't only your organization you represent, but the rest of us as well -- whether you want to or not.

Moving on, I have received more PM's about thread than any other since I've been a moderator. About half want it closed, and the other half beg to keep it open.

I would always rather do the latter, but I hate personal attacks and I don't like it when someone feels they can break the TOS.

What's interesting is that there's no way the moderators on this forum can read every post, and I wouldn't haven even looked at this one if someone hadn't complained. It started out so well.

If we can, from this point on, debate with some degree of dignity and be at least cordial, it can stay.

[AXJules]

Originally posted by AlphaGamDiva
jules.....i'm being perfectly honest with you when i say that there are ppl who either are in the harem/claim the harem who are not nice to other posters. it's just easiest to say "harem" b/c 9 times out of 10, it's harem related trash talking. i wouldn't want to be associated with that, either. as far as me calling the harem "stereotypical sorority b*tches"....that is how i, among others, see the harem.

And I'm the first to admit that none of us are perfect. I don't even know half the people you think are in "h&a,", thus I wouldn't claim them as my friends. You see us as bitches...how does that make it ok for you to call us names? Especially with some of the earlier posts in this thread...if we were such mean, nasty people I don't think Heather and I would have spent the time in here getting our points across tactfully. So again, you want a nice fair place to play...but it's ok to get the name calling out now, and then start fresh whenever you're done? I'm sorry but that's not right.

ppl you are close to are going to seem innocent b/c they are your friends....outside looking in is a LOT different than inside looking out. and what i know for sure is that if someone was telling me that i was being mean, i would do my best to stop whatever it was....

Again, I agree with this. But I know who were behind the fake lj's/gc usernames/internet lawyer/etc etc and with the exception of two, they're not really my friends. I don't even speak to these people on OR off gc...and now I'm a bitch b/c it's my responsibility to make them stop? And when I say I, I'm really referring to about 10 other people in H&A in the same position. That's a lot of finger pointing that probably shouldn't be done...
Again all I'm saying is you might not know as much of the situation as you think you do, and if you want things to change on gc i would think you'd want to work equally with people like Heather and I that are actually listening to what you have to say.
Eh- I have to go to work...I've tried to be as tactful as I can and your opinion of me is always your opinion and rightfully had... I just wish you'd realize that no one is as innocent (and in some cases, as evil) as you think they are.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Thrillhouse
Yep, the cougar is an inside joke mocking someone on these boards. But its all in fun though so no worries!

This thread gets my vote for best thread ever.

Jim McMahon posts on GC?

[Rudey]

Make me a moderator.

-Rudey
--I will deliver justice!

[damasa]

Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
Lets set the record straight here.

Kitso made a comment to B about using his cancer to excuse himself for being an ass to people. I've had family members who've had cancer and they never used it as an excuse to be dicks. Lets not make it sound like i was saying, "you have cancer, god must hate you" or something like that. He was being a jerk and i told him to blame it on the cancer again, cause that's real cute.

Yet, I had never mentioned my cancer (to my knowledge) on GC prior to you saying this. In fact, like H stated, there were only a few people that had known and I was even telling them to be quiet about it until I felt comfortable to say something about it on the forums. I'm not sure how you had found out but I'm sure who had told you. In any event, I never blamed my cancer for anything and if I was being a dick, that was because of myself, not because of my chemo and I even said that in the thread you started blasting me in. As far as being a dick, well that's really on how you look at the situation. Of course I was being a dick to you because I was salting your game when I though you were playing games with a buddy of mine and you decided to call me a liar and dick and all that. Yet, it turned out to be true. I wasn't personally trying to go after you, I was just looking out for someone I respected. Either way, that's over.....


H hit it on the head though...

Originally posted by sugar and spice
1) B. was not using his cancer as an excuse for being an ass. In fact, that was the only time I can ever remember mentioning it to GC. He only told a handful of people on GC that he had it and he told most of us to shut up about it. So in fact, I would say that he was doing the exact opposite of using it as an excuse for being an ass.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Damasa, I hope that you're healthy and well.


I am going to be honest and say that I don't like the tone of GC recently. I addressed it here and in the Lampoon thread and received numerous PMs thanking me for my comments.

I'm also pretty sick and tired of people going out of their way to mock my friend which includes starting threads and imitating her signature. If you don't like a gc member, there is no need to be mean.

me from the Lampoon thread.

I noticed that the mocking signature was changed, but in my opinion the damage was done. I don't know if the people who were rude were H&A. I don't know who the H&A are, but it seemed a pretty organized effort to mock, ridicule, and be mean. From my observation a group of people see a weakness and go out of their way to pick and pick and pick. It's like junior high. It hurt my feelings. I didn't address it because I thought that it was a one time only event with the bulldozer thread, but I was wrong. The snide comments have been going on for over a month, and I am personally sick of it. I do care about the hostility and the mean-spiritedness particularly when it is directly to someone who is my friend as well as my sister.

I think that it's a shame that Hootie and (probably) JAM are gone. I really think that they were driven off the boards due to the hostility around here. I saw it happen. I want to see it stop. You know who you are unless you have no insight into the way your behavior impacts other people.

[cuaphi]

Thank you Peaches and Cream and Damasa, I hope you're doing okay.

To review - slapping all this on the H&A is an unfair label and AXJules and S&S were never, as far as I know, mean to anyone. They have been most vocal in this thread defending their friends when they (and possibly many of their friends) aren't the problem. Fact is, there has been a LOT of bitchiness on her lately from mocking random people that have been judged as socially inferior to creating fake user names that aren't as innocent as they initially appeared. When KR mentioned that one of them is mocking a GC'ers fiance I was like That's really not cool. As a casual observer I have some pretty good guesses on what was coming from who and those people haven't had anything to say for themselves yet.

[AlphaGamDiva]

Originally posted by AXJules
And I'm the first to admit that none of us are perfect. I don't even know half the people you think are in "h&a,", thus I wouldn't claim them as my friends. You see us as bitches...how does that make it ok for you to call us names? Especially with some of the earlier posts in this thread...if we were such mean, nasty people I don't think Heather and I would have spent the time in here getting our points across tactfully. So again, you want a nice fair place to play...but it's ok to get the name calling out now, and then start fresh whenever you're done? I'm sorry but that's not right.

i've never even named off who i think is in the harem, so how would you know (who i haven't even mentioned) who i think is in it? just a question/thought...... i haven't dropped anyone's names.....i've merely said "those who associate with." and how does it make it ok to name call? well, honestly, i don't ever think it is....but in this case, where the name calling and divulging of personal info has been going on for so long....i call it like i see it. and again....i'm not the only one with this point of view. i just find it funny how you haven't called anyone else out on doing this (when it's been going on for so long with your lil friends), but you'll call me out on it b/c i am speaking against your friends. just another thought......

Again, I agree with this. But I know who were behind the fake lj's/gc usernames/internet lawyer/etc etc and with the exception of two, they're not really my friends. I don't even speak to these people on OR off gc...and now I'm a bitch b/c it's my responsibility to make them stop? And when I say I, I'm really referring to about 10 other people in H&A in the same position. That's a lot of finger pointing that probably shouldn't be done...

you say you don't know all of these ppl or talk with these ppl.....but there ARE ppl within this so-called harem who do, and who contribute to the mean threads, etc., etc.....and from the way it is on here, guilty by association. no, it's not YOUR "responsibility" to make them stop, but you certainly don't have to contribute (i'm not pointing this directly at you, jules....it's a generalized "you") and i'm sorry if you don't want to be thought of in a negative way, but there it is. there are nasty ppl on this board, and harem MAY not start all of it, but they chime right in with it. since you all always refer to yourselves together, ppl group you all together now. same as in any RL GLO. you all have sadly made an unkind reputation for yourselves. it may not be the fault of all, but the mistakes of many reflect back on the whole. and the fake ljs or user names MAY in fact not be all harem, but the fact most will agree with the mean posts or help continue the thread just furthers ppl's opinions.

Again all I'm saying is you might not know as much of the situation as you think you do, and if you want things to change on gc i would think you'd want to work equally with people like Heather and I that are actually listening to what you have to say.
Eh- I have to go to work...I've tried to be as tactful as I can and your opinion of me is always your opinion and rightfully had... I just wish you'd realize that no one is as innocent (and in some cases, as evil) as you think they are.

and you could be right.....i don't know prob everything there is to know. i haven't been around the boards as much as in the past, and i will prob disappear for a while again soon b/c i live elsewhere (sans comp) and have other things to do with my life than a 15 page discussion on the evils of GC.

anyway, my bottom line to EVERYONE: stop bein nasty. period.

[AlphaGamDiva]

Originally posted by Thrillhouse
This thread gets my vote for best thread ever.

as does mine, but i started this whole rampage, so does my vote really count?

and thrillhouse....i notice EE in your sig......but are you truly prepared for the stigma of "no fun police" that automatically attaches itself with a name like "everyone else"?? we here at EE are exclusively a no-fun zone.....just so you know!

[FiReKraCkEr]

I'm not going to name names or label a particular group...

I just want the snide remarks, the gangin up on, and the cattiness to stop. I don't care who you are, I don't care WHAT clique/harem/squad you're in....everyone on here deserves respect. I don't care if I'm even the next victim of it all, BRING IT. This is all so junior highish and I'm quite sad that me and Mon have to ask college adults to "play nice or don't play at all". We're supposed to be the leaders of our generation and instead we're acting like 5 year-olds fighting. Shame, shame, shame.

I just found out about another GCer who was pretty much made fun a few months ago and she is a person I talk to on a regular basis. It hurts me to know she was personally attacked and I wasn't around to have her back. She didn't even tell any of the moderators becase, well one of the people who were attacking her was a Mod. She, too, along with Hootie have left GC. Seriously, how many people do ya'll want to leave GC?? Until you're the only ones left?

That's just not right. People come here to be entertained and informed, not to get their feelings hurt and be ridiculed. They don't come here to be ganged up on if they don't see your liberal/conservative views. I know I have been apart of many of debates here on GC, but I don't think I have been so nasty to the point where people leave a fricking internet site.

Anyway, I could go on forever...

The main point it: Please be respectful to your fellow GCers. It's called Karma folks...you get 10 folds back. (Sorry it's the Buddist in me talking)

So now I wait for someone to pick apart my post and probably correct some punctuality or grammer. Oh how fun!

[kddani]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Guess I'm just not a "joiner."

For those of you who may be confused, I think the post above has something to do with the Navy.

lol, yeah, took me a minute to figure out what the hell she was talking about myself.

yay for yinzers!

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

I'm an EE too......

[Imperial1]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
OH NO, Imperial! You be good in here. When you get ready to be bad (somewhere else), let me know so I can be there when the poo hits the fan!! I have much love for your steelo!

I can't be good here. People can't stand me and I like it that way.

Imperial1

[preciousjeni]

Not too long ago, there was a certain GCer who was attacking things about me that were personal, difficult and impossible to change. As much as I wanted to say that I could just let it go, it was really bothering me. I confronted that GCer and to my great surprise an apology was issued! Since then, we have cohabited peacefully though we have ragingly different opinions on just about anything.

As "junior high" as some posts in this thread may seem, this is the first time since I've been on GC when people en masse have brought their complaints out into the open. I encourage everyone to confront those you feel have insulted you or your GC friends, preferably on PM! Some people may not even know that you were hurt by their comments! Let us be ladies and gentlemen and present ourselves as rational and intelligent members of the Greek community and/or Greek Chat.

The GC cliques are fun. It's fun to have a secret tie to another person - as it's been said, this IS a GREEK forum!! Obviously, we all like ties that hold us together. Inside jokes are ok too. But, the cruelty behind them must stop.

I'd hate to see this thread deleted (or closed for that matter) when this would be a terrific opportunity to show PNMs that we are all just a huge family that DOES get into arguments but can put it all behind us for the sake of unity. Right??

Edited for my typo problem!

[Rudey]

I am creating a list of smart people who went to good schools and now hold good jobs and have futures.

-Rudey