Roll Call!!!!

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
Lets set the record straight here.

Kitso made a comment to B about using his cancer to excuse himself for being an ass to people. I've had family members who've had cancer and they never used it as an excuse to be dicks. Lets not make it sound like i was saying, "you have cancer, god must hate you" or something like that. He was being a jerk and i told him to blame it on the cancer again, cause that's real cute.

There are a few H&A types that did a lot to run Hootie off, mostly by attacking her in the mod forum. So, then, i guess we should narrow it down to the H&A kids who were mods at the time. She got pretty sick of having to defend herself daily to people she thought were her friends. Especially ones who should be the LAST people on EARTH to question a woman like her. Look, neither her nor i am ashamed of our actions. The fact that a very good friendship has grown out of it is something we both really are thankful for. I just think that the people who were attacking her and i are the real questionable ones.

So Kath gets a lot of isht. She also goes looking for it in most cases. When she jumps into threads and starts running grammar smack on people, what does she expect? She gets into threads backing up rudey and then gets attacked again. What does she expect?

Look, i've tried to bury the hatchet with you people, i've apologized and said let bygones be bygones, but some of your buddies can't resist from making snide comments that i know are targeting me. The broken bed one being a perfect example. I don't go trolling much, maybe with the comment about Austin bein better than whatever the capital in Wisconsin was, but i really don't do that often. I've taken an attitude of live and let live. Y'all are the ones that feel the need to continue it.

I'm not specifially directin this at you S&S, because i really don't remember you being one of the people, but when the people that make these attacks rally around the H&A cause, what do you think that makes us think? If you roll into a fraternity party and some dude drops a roofie in your drink, regardless of if he's a bro or not, what is your instant impression of that fraternity?

If FireK, Mon and i have to band together to voice the feelings of others, so be it. everytime someone posted on here in support of EE just makes it more worthwhile. I'm not goin to take the fight to PM, because this does involve the whole board. This is in support of people who are made fun of with fake LJs, the fake names, i.e. SheetCake, Hatchet Face, etc etc. I'm lettin them know that not EVERYONE on GC thinks that crap is funny and some of us are sick of it.

Kitso
KS 361

1) B. was not using his cancer as an excuse for being an ass. In fact, that was the only time I can ever remember mentioning it to GC. He only told a handful of people on GC that he had it and he told most of us to shut up about it. So in fact, I would say that he was doing the exact opposite of using it as an excuse for being an ass.

2) I have no problem with you having a relationship with Hootie. I do think some of the circumstances surrounding your friendship are humorous, and I'm certainly not the only one. If you or she can't deal with that, either don't do what you did or don't let other people find out about it.

3) OK, so first anyone who belongs to a GC clique gets blamed for being obnoxious. Then as this thread goes on, it's made clear that this is mostly directed at the H&A. Recent posts have made it obvious that some of you are just harboring some personal vendettas against mods who may or may not have been H&A (I am guessing Kath and Sandy, but whatever, because I'm not a mod so I have no idea what went down in there) -- so why can't this be addressed via PM to them instead of airing your issues to the entire board? And why can't Hootie fight her own battles instead of getting other people to fight them for her? IMO she has taken the best course of action possible from this -- she got tired of the board, so she left without drama.

4) I don't think Kath goes looking isht anymore than you do, but I suppose that's a matter of personal opinion.

5) I think you're very much denying your role in the ongoing feud that you think we perpetuate. I can't remember the last time that I (personally) have said anything nasty to you that wasn't provoked. Yet you continue to make snide jabs like the ones in the state capital thread that make it clear that you're harboring some bitterness -- obviously I don't take them all that personally, but if I have some people that I'm friendly with and they think you're attacking me unprovoked they're going to make jabs back. You can't say "I'm innocent, I'm innocent -- except for those three or four times."

6) You know what? Some of the people responding to this thread in support of the H&A AREN'T H&A -- they just like us. Some of the fake personalities are not H&A girls (Internet Lawyer being the example that comes to mind first -- I know that'll surprise a few of you). In fact, I imagine there is not a single one of you on GC who knows who is even considered to be a part of this "clique." Hell, even half of the H&A themselves couldn't. And there are, of course, lots of people on this board who are plenty nasty who have no tie to us whatsoever. There are people who had a hand in driving many people off this board who have no ties to us whatsoever. I remember a recent incident where a member of this board accused Kath of something she hadn't committed, something that this member had no proof she had committed, and tried to get her demodded for it. AFAIK, no apologies were ever made to Kath. It's like the second anything mean happens, it's all of us who get blamed for it -- even when most or none of us aren't even involved with it.

Which is fine -- I can't change y'all's opinions and I don't really care too much one way or another. But I really wish that you would do some rethinking before you automatically point fingers at "the H&A" when you couldn't even name half the people who are associated with that label.

At any rate, I'm out of this thread because it has become way too unfun for me -- y'all can always reach me via PM if you have any more issues to address.

[FiReKraCkEr]

Hey Mon, does this mean we get to Scroll some folks cuz we're the founders????


*trying to lighten the mood*

[AlphaGamDiva]

honestly, i haven't noticed anyone responding to this thread in support of anything but "EE"....unless you are death squad and even that is in defense of itself, not the harem......(does anyone ELSE feel like frickin the pink ladies or the t-birds or STUPID for addressing ppl in this way....i sure as hell do). but i could've just missed that, who knows.

it's not just myself, ivory, and kitso who feel this way....we're just the only ones voicing our thoughts on the matter at this time. if you honestly have convinced yourself you're just being fun.....wow. i'm sure a lot of ppl subjected to the ridicule caused by mean comments (by harem or their associates) thought you all should go on the road with this act.


as far as scrolling......i'm sure it's the way of the cougar.....so prob not.

FUN FUN! JOKE!

[FiReKraCkEr]

what? the way of the cougar? What's that? Is that another inside joke I don't get? (totally being serious here)

Shucks, I guess as founders we can't exactly promote hazing in any shape or form...*hangs head in anguish*

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sugar and spice
-- so why can't this be addressed via PM to them instead of airing your issues to the entire board? And why can't Hootie fight her own battles instead of getting other people to fight them for her? IMO she has taken the best course of action possible from this -- she got tired of the board, so she left without drama.

Why can't it be addressed via PM? Because, like i said in my last post i want it to be public so that those that are bullied don't think that all of GC is against them. Everytime that some mean-spirited comment is made and noone objects it is in a small way validating the sentiments made in the comment.

Look, i'm not apponiting myself some crusader to end all fun on GC, but when i see decent people being harassed and bullied i'm at least going to voice my disapproval, if not try to defend them.

Hooties done, she left GC thats fine. The battles and drama now are about what has been posted since she left.


6) You know what? Some of the people responding to this thread in support of the H&A AREN'T H&A -- they just like us. Some of the fake personalities are not H&A girls (Internet Lawyer being the example that comes to mind first -- I know that'll surprise a few of you). In fact, I imagine there is not a single one of you on GC who knows who is even considered to be a part of this "clique." Hell, even half of the H&A themselves couldn't. And there are, of course, lots of people on this board who are plenty nasty who have no tie to us whatsoever. There are people who had a hand in driving many people off this board who have no ties to us whatsoever. I remember a recent incident where a member of this board accused Kath of something she hadn't committed, something that this member had no proof she had committed, and tried to get her demodded for it. AFAIK, no apologies were ever made to Kath. It's like the second anything mean happens, it's all of us who get blamed for it -- even when most or none of us aren't even involved with it.

fine, some people think you're funny. They think that embarrassing people or bullying them to leave is enjoyable. I don't.

i can't "say i'm innocent, except for the 3 or 4 times i do it" huh? Well, when you're known to be posting mean or bitchy things a lot, you'll be the first that comes to mind when a fake name is made and something bitchy is posted. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. Ask cashmoney or champ about how continuous posting patterns are held against people.

I don't care who is in or out of the Harem. But when you're seen agreeing with troublemakers, don't be shocked when you're assumed to be one also. You know what? i have plenty of people on here who don't like me. have i ever been accused of slander, making false LJs, etc? No. You know why? because i don't carry myself that way, unless its in defense of myself or my GC buddies.

In closing, why don't you take your advice about keeping stuff to PM when it concerns inside jokes? Make fun of me all you want in your IMs, PMs emails, LJs, etc, i don't care. But when jokes are made in a public forum, especially that i frequent, i tend to take that a bit more maliciously.

Kitso
KS 361

[AXJules]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
1) B. was not using his cancer as an excuse for being an ass. In fact, that was the only time I can ever remember mentioning it to GC. He only told a handful of people on GC that he had it and he told most of us to shut up about it. So in fact, I would say that he was doing the exact opposite of using it as an excuse for being an ass.

2) I have no problem with you having a relationship with Hootie. I do think some of the circumstances surrounding your friendship are humorous, and I'm certainly not the only one. If you or she can't deal with that, either don't do what you did or don't let other people find out about it.

3) OK, so first anyone who belongs to a GC clique gets blamed for being obnoxious. Then as this thread goes on, it's made clear that this is mostly directed at the H&A. Recent posts have made it obvious that some of you are just harboring some personal vendettas against mods who may or may not have been H&A (I am guessing Kath and Sandy, but whatever, because I'm not a mod so I have no idea what went down in there) -- so why can't this be addressed via PM to them instead of airing your issues to the entire board? And why can't Hootie fight her own battles instead of getting other people to fight them for her? IMO she has taken the best course of action possible from this -- she got tired of the board, so she left without drama.

4) I don't think Kath goes looking isht anymore than you do, but I suppose that's a matter of personal opinion.

5) I think you're very much denying your role in the ongoing feud that you think we perpetuate. I can't remember the last time that I (personally) have said anything nasty to you that wasn't provoked. Yet you continue to make snide jabs like the ones in the state capital thread that make it clear that you're harboring some bitterness -- obviously I don't take them all that personally, but if I have some people that I'm friendly with and they think you're attacking me unprovoked they're going to make jabs back. You can't say "I'm innocent, I'm innocent -- except for those three or four times."

6) You know what? Some of the people responding to this thread in support of the H&A AREN'T H&A -- they just like us. Some of the fake personalities are not H&A girls (Internet Lawyer being the example that comes to mind first -- I know that'll surprise a few of you). In fact, I imagine there is not a single one of you on GC who knows who is even considered to be a part of this "clique." Hell, even half of the H&A themselves couldn't. And there are, of course, lots of people on this board who are plenty nasty who have no tie to us whatsoever. There are people who had a hand in driving many people off this board who have no ties to us whatsoever. I remember a recent incident where a member of this board accused Kath of something she hadn't committed, something that this member had no proof she had committed, and tried to get her demodded for it. AFAIK, no apologies were ever made to Kath. It's like the second anything mean happens, it's all of us who get blamed for it -- even when most or none of us aren't even involved with it.

Which is fine -- I can't change y'all's opinions and I don't really care too much one way or another. But I really wish that you would do some rethinking before you automatically point fingers at "the H&A" when you couldn't even name half the people who are associated with that label.

At any rate, I'm out of this thread because it has become way too unfun for me -- y'all can always reach me via PM if you have any more issues to address.

Well written, Heather. I pretty much agree.

If you guys want to label yourselves EE, who cares- that's awesome. Good for you. If it makes people feel comfortable, thats wonderful. I am getting frustrated, though, by you using the H&A label in coordination with the fake personalities, LJ's, etc. I know who did most of those things...and none of them were members of 'our' clique.
Straight up, no mistaking, we were called 'stereotypical sorority bitches" in this thread. PLEASE find a thread on GC where we've done the same to any of you. Find me some proof. Anyone who's ever kidded around with us has become 'one' of us if they wanted...(the reason why the H&A is so huge and I'm not understanding how we could be more accepting. )All I'm saying is that you're so convinced that we're so nasty, lampooning, mean...you might want to make sure you're not doing the same. Because at the end of the day, I know I don't have the time in my day or desire to use people's real names or create fake ljs. And I'd really appreciate not being associated with that.

[AlphaGamDiva]

Originally posted by AXJules
Well written, Heather. I pretty much agree.

If you guys want to label yourselves EE, who cares- that's awesome. Good for you. If it makes people feel comfortable, thats wonderful. I am getting frustrated, though, by you using the H&A label in coordination with the fake personalities, LJ's, etc. I know who did most of those things...and none of them were members of 'our' clique.
Straight up, no mistaking, we were called 'stereotypical sorority bitches" in this thread. PLEASE find a thread on GC where we've done the same to any of you. Find me some proof. Anyone who's ever kidded around with us has become 'one' of us if they wanted...(the reason why the H&A is so huge and I'm not understanding how we could be more accepting. )All I'm saying is that you're so convinced that we're so nasty, lampooning, mean...you might want to make sure you're not doing the same. Because at the end of the day, I know I don't have the time in my day or desire to use people's real names or create fake ljs. And I'd really appreciate not being associated with that.

jules.....i'm being perfectly honest with you when i say that there are ppl who either are in the harem/claim the harem who are not nice to other posters. it's just easiest to say "harem" b/c 9 times out of 10, it's harem related trash talking. i wouldn't want to be associated with that, either. as far as me calling the harem "stereotypical sorority b*tches"....that is how i, among others, see the harem. they get mad when ppl don't agree with them, but bitch when someone says something about their beliefs. ppl you are close to are going to seem innocent b/c they are your friends....outside looking in is a LOT different than inside looking out. and what i know for sure is that if someone was telling me that i was being mean, i would do my best to stop whatever it was.....b/c what is a joke to someone, isn't always to someone else. common courtesy and respect is all ppl ask for. making fun of someone even more b/c they asked you to "play nice" is even more proof of the term i described the harem as.

and i am not doing the same......this was like a little play to bring to light what is really going on here. and that is ppl trying to joke around, hurting ppl's feelings, and the "jokesters" aren't caring. it's rude.....and it is mean. and it should stop. whoever is behind it all, it should stop. i address the harem more than anyone else b/c honest to goodness it's ppl affiliated with the "harem" starting the threads, etc., etc. read kitso's last post.....that pretty much says it all.

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
Whoa! I didn't realize y'all were seriously fighting! Perhaps all parties involved can come to an agreement to refrain from underhanded comments and hurtful inside jokes. I'm here, in EE, as a direct result of the silliness that is the Death Squad.

I just read all the posts since the last one I made (cuz I was seriously trying to find the answer) and I'm just as surprised as you are.

Here are my follow up thoughts.

1) Somebody had cancer? Regardless of their personality, I hope they're okay. That's a sensitive area for me.

2) I don't even know who is in the Harem. The more important question is who is the sultan?

3) EE needs to stop jocking the Death Squad.

4) DEATH SQUAD, WHAT!

5) Does admitting that I'm still hot help everyone find that common ground they need to begin reconcilliation?

6) Can we also have a moratorium on people saying that I'm hot?

7) What exactly is the way of the cougar? Do I really want to know?

8) Aren't we overdue for another blackface thread?

9) Other than the Grapist...I'm not feeling the "fake" screen names. I know, it doesn't matter what I feel about them, but recently, they've seem to be a little more....purposefully annoying. I'd personally just rather see some insightful posts.

[Imperial1]

Message board cliques? lol Real message board cliques would have their own private forums.

Imperial1

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Senusret I
1) Somebody had cancer? Regardless of their personality, I hope they're okay. That's a sensitive area for me.

I am in full agreement. My great aunt/godmother JUST passed last year due to cancer.

2) I don't even know who is in the Harem. The more important question is who is the sultan?

I think we need the Perp guy to do some research for us.

3) EE needs to stop jocking the Death Squad.

You ain't seen nuthin!! Smooches, boo!

4) DEATH SQUAD, WHAT!

EE, FA SHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5) Does admitting that I'm still hot help everyone find that common ground they need to begin reconcilliation?

I believe you've put me on the road to recovery. I can't speak for my EE siblings.

6) Can we also have a moratorium on people saying that I'm hot?

Don't get greedy - you already have some threads dedicated to you!

7) What exactly is the way of the cougar? Do I really want to know?

Yeah, I recognize the name but can't place the face. For a while, I thought it had to do with Internet Lawyer. Wait, does it?

8) Aren't we overdue for another blackface thread?

Oh well NOW ya done did it! You know what they say, speak of the devil...

9) Other than the Grapist...I'm not feeling the "fake" screen names. I know, it doesn't matter what I feel about them, but recently, they've seem to be a little more....purposefully annoying. I'd personally just rather see some insightful posts.

Thank you!

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Imperial1
Message board cliques? lol Real message board cliques would have their own private forums.

Imperial1

OH NO, Imperial! You be good in here. When you get ready to be bad (somewhere else), let me know so I can be there when the poo hits the fan!! I have much love for your steelo!

[Ronso]

Originally posted by Senusret I
I just read all the posts since the last one I made (cuz I was seriously trying to find the answer) and I'm just as surprised as you are.

Here are my follow up thoughts.

1) Somebody had cancer? Regardless of their personality, I hope they're okay. That's a sensitive area for me.

2) I don't even know who is in the Harem. The more important question is who is the sultan?

3) EE needs to stop jocking the Death Squad.

4) DEATH SQUAD, WHAT!

5) Does admitting that I'm still hot help everyone find that common ground they need to begin reconcilliation?

6) Can we also have a moratorium on people saying that I'm hot?

7) What exactly is the way of the cougar? Do I really want to know?

8) Aren't we overdue for another blackface thread?

9) Other than the Grapist...I'm not feeling the "fake" screen names. I know, it doesn't matter what I feel about them, but recently, they've seem to be a little more....purposefully annoying. I'd personally just rather see some insightful posts.

Here's the perspective of someone who has no clue what's going on and hopes not to know.

1) Cancer sucks. I would hope everyone would wish the person well regardless of what they said.

2) I am totally the (un)official Sultan. All at the same time if I'm lucky.

3) Pass.

4) Pass.

5) It's true. <opposite gender> wants to be with him/her and <same gender> wants to be him/her. I know I do, whichever the appropriate one may be.

6) Just cause you're hot doesn't mean you get all sorts of special requests. Awww, who am I kidding, yes it does.

7) It's all about Tiger Claw anyway.

8) I think you're right. I haven't even been here a month and I managed to "enjoy" most of those.

9) Pass.


Now to be a bit more serious. I don't know if it's been mentioned or not, but I think one thing people need to recognize is that everyone who posts here and is in a org represents not only their org but all greek life. Sure it's one thing to say that in the Risk Management or sex threads, but try and keep that in mind in ALL of your threads. Removing a GLO or changing a name won't really amount to squat if Johnny and Suzy GDI/PNM waltz in here and see a bunch of squabbling greeks. I'm not saying you have to like everyone, but I think you should all try and be civil. You know, much inthe same way you would deal wiith a co-worker whom you cannot stand. People are dying for a reason to hate us, let's not give them anymore than they already have. As for creating fake LJ's and the such, unless the person goes to your school, who really cares? This is the internet. I always think it's sad when chat/board drama goes beyond the rom or site. Perhaps I just don't understand the site dynamics, but as an outsider looking in, it's rather foolish. Had I seen this or other bickering threads before I read anything else on this site, I not only probably would have skipped registering, but I probably would have decided to write of giving greek life at my school a second shot. Just thought I'd give you guys something to chew on if you haven't already. Who knows, you may not listen to me at all. That's up to you. I had a lot more to say, but I really don't think I need to. You'll all either hear what I have to say or you won't. Either way, I'm done for now.

[Thrillhouse]

Originally posted by FiReKraCkEr
what? the way of the cougar? What's that? Is that another inside joke I don't get? (totally being serious here)

Shucks, I guess as founders we can't exactly promote hazing in any shape or form...*hangs head in anguish*

Yep, the cougar is an inside joke mocking someone on these boards. But its all in fun though so no worries!

This thread gets my vote for best thread ever.

[jharb]

Originally posted by Dionysus
On a more serious note, if people believe that they are being abused, why don't they speak out about it on the public boards? These "anonymous" people are going to lose credibility.

But wait, that would make too much sense.

You know all this animosity would be solved if someone had just replied to the clueless comment with an "as if!" instead of getting upset. I know the thread has run it's cycle but at the same point if you're feeling threatened from a message board just turn it off. There's an X in the corner (and if you are on a Mac, it's in a red circle) that works wonders.

Also with the inner circle comment we're bored for the summer, personally I work 40-50 hours a week selling bedding. I work alone for the most part, I'm bored and if I want to joke around I should be able to on here.



and to make this a happy thread...

[ZTAngel]

I know that I usually do not comment on issues such as this but this has been bugging me for awhile.
I’m not going to point fingers at any particular individual or group but I will say that GC, as a whole, has gotten really mean in the past couple of months. This is the general consensus among many GCers…many who have yet to comment on the current situation.
I will say that the reason so many people refuse to comment on the situation or come around Chit Chat for that matter is because of the mean-spirited “fun” that has been occurring. I’ve noticed that if you have an opinion that is against that of the majority, there is a good chance you will be subjected to name-calling, lampooning, or you will get ganged up on. The problem is that the reason people do not want to come into Chit Chat or stand up for their friends who have been knocked down is because they don’t want to be next. Although this is just the internet (as everyone has said), at the end of the day, we are real people behind these usernames with real lives and real feelings. Some VERY personal stuff has gotten thrown out on these message boards whether it be people’s real names, stuff that has happened offline, or information that the individual just doesn’t want on a message board. Many times, people have gotten into a disagreement and had their personal business aired for all on GC to see. It’s a very awkward and uncomfortable feeling to know that people across the US who you don’t even know now know things about you. On top of it, the fake usernames that have caused so much of the drama need to stop. It is borderline ridiculousness. Especially when these names are used to lampoon people and, once again, throw around some personal information.
I realize that by saying something that I now take the risk of being the next victim of the GC targeting but I can’t bite my tongue any longer. I’ve watched people leave this message board and another GCer become so hurt because her picture that was posted in the GC photo album was criticized. I think it takes a lot of guts for anyone to post their picture on a message board. It takes you from being just an anonymous username to a real person. That’s all I’m going to say about that one…..
I know that the mods of the forums have had a really hard time with this issue as well. Take this as an example: A hurtful/personal comment gets made. A GCer reports the post to the moderator or PMs the moderator of the forum in regards to the post. The post is deleted or edited but now a whole new thread pops up which questions why the post was deleted thus creating more drama. It’s unnecessary and not fair. I’ve tried to be fair to all the GCers who have PMed me or reported a post in my forum in the past few months due to insulting comments or personal info that had been posted. But, I realize that I take a risk because there’s a good chance that I could be a target just for deleting a post. Mods have mentioned to me that they don’t even feel in control of their forums anymore because of this.
IT NEEDS TO STOP!
While many may think it’s fun and just the internet, the fun stops as soon as personal info gets thrown out there and really insulting/hurtful things are said.