Does Your GLO take Grad Students?

[33girl]

Originally posted by AEPhiSierra
i askedgraduate members in collegiate chapters doesn't in anyway conflict with NPC rules? instinctually i think it would.

Why?

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
Don't some Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia chapters also admit women?

No, we're male only. A little more quick, abridged history:

For a while and for a variety of reasons we called ourselves a professional fraternity, even though we were founded as a social fraternity. The professional emphasis was particularly strong in the 1960's and 1970's. Then came Title IX, which cuts off federal funds to schools that house single-sex organizations; an exception is made for social fraternities and sororities but not for professional ones. While Phi Mu Alpha tried to obtain an exemption from Title IX, a handful of chapters were granted permission to initiate women if necessary to prevent the chapter from losing recognition by the sheltering institution. National permission was required before a chapter could initiate women. About 250 women were initiated over 6 or 7 years under this policy. In the early 80's, we received recognition from the federal Department of Education as a social fraternity, meaning we could legally remain single-sex. About that same time, the Fraternity, through its national assembly, voted overwhelmingly to return to our roots as a social fraternity (a decision that has taken time to fully implement), to remove all "professional" references from fraternity documents, and to return to all-male status. A few chapters disagreed with the later decision, acted in defiance, and were expelled from the Fraternity upon so doing. At least one started a local that retains some of our symbols and colors.

The 250 or so women who were initiated in the late '70's and early '80's by the relatively few chapters that did initiate women then are still considered Sinfonians, but no woman has been initiated since that time.

(Apologies for yet another digression from the topic.)

[gamma_girl52]

GSS allows graduate students to pledge if there is a chapter at that school. We just started allowing it back in 2001.

For that reason we no longer refer to chapters at colleges/universities as "undergraduate". We now call them "collegiate" so we can include those graduate students.

[aephi alum]

Originally posted by AEPhiSierra
graduate members in collegiate chapters doesn't in anyway conflict with NPC rules? instinctually i think it would.

Apparently not. Are you thinking of any rules in particular?

If you're thinking of recruitment, I asked that very question a while back in the rush forum. The consensus was that if a grad student were interested in a particular NPC sorority and knew they would be holding a COB rush, she should go to the COB rush; otherwise she should sign up for formal recruitment, knowing that she will be cut immediately after round 1 by any sorority that does not accept grad students as new collegian-level members.

Wait a minute though... doesn't the NPC creed start out, "We, as undergraduate members of women's fraternities..." ?

[33girl]

Originally posted by aephi alum
Wait a minute though... doesn't the NPC creed start out, "We, as undergraduate members of women's fraternities..." ?

It does, but apparently that's not followed to the letter of the law or the groups who accept grad students wouldn't be allowed to do so.

[AlphaPhiBubbles]

I'm pretty sure Alpha Phi doesn't allow grad students as new members, and i think this makes sense because we even hesitate to take undergrad seniors just because they wouldnt be around very long plus the demands of school get much worse as graduation comes near and since the new member period is kind of intense, we wouldnt want to add stress to a woman's academics. Having said that, grad school is much harder than undergrad so becoming a new member might just put added stress. Alpha Phi encourages Alumnae Initiation though!

[sheisaprincess]

How about people that are going for their second bachelor's degree? They are still undergrad students technically.

[Tippiechick]

If you double major that's one thing. But, at least at MTSU, you would be considered a Post-Bac. You HAVE graduated, but you are not going up to a higher level of education. You aren't still an undergrad, because you have been awarded a degree already. I think this is the same distinction made by the FAFSA forms. You could not rush as an undergraduate, because you would be considered a graduate pursuing a second degree.

You COULD declare a double major BEFORE you graduate. Then, you would be able to stay an undergrad for a longer period. But, at MTSU, you couldn't do this if you'd filed an Intent to Graduate form. This would allow someone to rush as an undergrad.


Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[g41965]

At the University of Chicago from approximately 1945-1960 undergraduates were not allowed to join fraternities and the Delta Upsilon consisted onl of graduate school members.

[Dionysus]

Yes!

[PhoenixAzul]

hmmm...no idea if TD does or not. Otterbein doesn't have a lot of graduate students, so it might just be one of those "never came up" type of things. I also don't know of alumni initiation, but I'm sure if there was a worthy woman who wished to join our sorority later in life, we'd be open to it. My sisters are open minded :-D

[KSUViolet06]

Tri Sigma does not.

Originally posted by sheisaprincess
How about people that are going for their second bachelor's degree? They are still undergrad students technically.

If it's a double major, then you're still an undergrad.

However, if you have already been awarded a bachelor's degree, you are considered post-baccalaureate as previously stated.

On my campus, they do not hold undergraduate status. Undergraduates are those who do not already have a bachelor's degree. They are called "unclassified graduate students".

[Sister Havana]

My Alpha Phi Omega chapter welcomes graduate students. We have had people join as grad students and we have also had people who were members as undergrads come back and reactivate as grads.

[alphaalpha]

if you graduated and then decided to get a second degree some schools call you undergrads, some call you something else. I looked into this when i graduated with my first degree and then wanted to get my 2nd degree (various reasons involved as to why i did not just do both at the same time). Anyway, it all depends on the school which classification someone falls in, but as far as the Federal student aid form, one who is seeking a second degree is still considered an undergraduate.

On another not,

Are there sororities who allow graduate students who were initiated as undergrads to coninue to be active members as graduate students? I thought that i had heard this before on here.

Just my thought, when i was in graduate school it was so hard to meet people and it was very lonely. I found grad school to be easier than undergrad cause all my classes were in my feild that i have studied in a long time. Anyway, i really missed my sorority and wished that there was a place that i could go to like my sorority for friendship, ect. The graduate student associate was not very sociable and i really wanted the friendships i had at my undergraduate chapter. I really don't see anything wrong with grad students being in chapters. I think that the support system one finds in their house would become more important. But that could just be my opinion.