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Old 09-29-2003, 10:41 PM
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additionally --

drug use exists in GLOs, too. If her posts had been about drug use, would everyone have been so quick to support her?
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Old 09-29-2003, 10:50 PM
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OK, I've said this before ... if you REALLY and TRULY think someone is a troll, don't answer their question. In any way. Because attention is what trolls want.

One of my friends said that one of the bad-hazing-sorority made for TV movies showed during her rush week. You can bet there were a whole lot of rushees who were pretty scared. NPC orgs do not require PNMs (or girls who just got the bid) to research sororities or Greek life in advance, so why should we expect them to know about hazing? Especially when, in defiance of all our national policies, it does occur some places.
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Old 09-29-2003, 10:57 PM
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For goodness sakes, this is an online message board! You cannot get a true sense of someone's character based on what they post on the internet! Chill out!
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Old 09-29-2003, 10:59 PM
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I still don't like her.

how about THAT?!
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:00 PM
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.... and in response to the research thing....


Why WOULDN'T you look into something you're tying yourself into for the next FOUR YEARS?!?!?!
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:19 PM
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OK, I've said this before ... if you REALLY and TRULY think someone is a troll, don't answer their question. In any way. Because attention is what trolls want.
Actually, I don't know if this person is a troll or not.

What I worry about is some new person comes on the board, asks about hazing, a bunch of us answer (truthfully, granted) that some hazing does exist -- and the response ends up somewhere we really don't want it to -- like quoted (or mis-quoted) in a newspaper, magazine or on TV.

I think that the best way to answer is to say that, if she is really concerned, she should check with the Greek Advisor, school administration, national office and others in the Greek Community to see if there is a problem at that chapter.

And, if there is, run the other way.
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:31 PM
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This is not PSC's first post. We've had "trolls" like that before and they usually don't have a dozen other posts.

She is going to a PA state (SSHE) school. To put it mildly, a lot of SSHE schools don't do anything to promote their Greek system and if there are rumors going around that make Greeks look bad, they're not going to do anything to disprove them. Anti-Greek sentiment on some campuses has gotten out of control in recent years. Unless you live in a very pro-Greek dorm or have friends on campus that are Greek, it can be hard to find accurate information.

So I would say that yes, she is just worried and confused.
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:32 PM
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Wow, that's a good point. I never even thought of it like that. I'd hate to be cited as an "official" source to prove hazing happens.

Although, I'd have to laugh if they quoted most of us with our screen names. "FuzzieAlum" just doesn't sound authoritative.
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:33 PM
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For goodness sakes, this is an online message board! You cannot get a true sense of someone's character based on what they post on the internet! Chill out!
I agree!!!
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Old 09-30-2003, 12:06 AM
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If she had asked: "I've been hearing rumors about drug use in the Greek system, and I'm worried that my new sisters might be using drugs in the house. What can I expect?"

I would have thought that was a totally reasonable concern, and I would have said: "Greeks are just like other college kids -- some of them make crummy choices and do illegal things. Hopefully your new sisters will be responsible. But you don't have to do anything that violates your values."

I simply don't think that it's a solution to ask the members of the GLO whether some kind of hazing is involved in pledging and initiation. First of all, if they haze, they are NOT going to say, "Oh yes, we will subjugate and abuse you. More water?" Second, if they don't haze...apparently some portion of the Greek population may take great offense to the question.

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Old 09-30-2003, 01:21 PM
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a little personal experience....

I joined a professional sorority at my first college. I was there for several years, became President, all that business. My Greek experience was spectacular and there was nothing even remotely close to hazing.

I took some time off from school, and transferred. At my new college, I decided to pledge a social sorority, as I hadn't been able to at my old school (bylaws - long story). I did a lot of research on the different sororities there, all of whom had plastered all over there websites and flyers "We Don't Haze!" I rushed. I was told "We Don't Haze!" I asked around on campus, from the few people I knew. I was told "They don't haze!"

Guess what. The first night I was inducted as a pledge, I was hazed.

I quit that night. I didn't turn them in... well, because I was stupid. I wish I had, but I was intimidated by being at a new school and not knowing another soul. So I kept my mouth shut.

The moral of this story? I'm glad I had GC and my prior greek experience. Without it, I probably would have stayed in and continued to pledge and be hazed. I know exactly where this girl is coming from... she's scared, and she IS doing her research by coming here and finding out what her options are.

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Old 09-30-2003, 01:46 PM
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Ginger you read my mind
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Old 09-30-2003, 02:21 PM
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PinkShip,

Hazing happens at the SSHE schools, it's well known. If you're not comfortable with what is asked of you, and lord knows I wouldn't be, you should be sure to at least report it to your greek advisor on campus. Greek Advisors will contact the HQs and so on. Just remember to take care of yourself.

As for the folks that are completely losing their minds here, WHOA!! Can't we all just simmer down!
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Old 09-30-2003, 02:38 PM
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Hmm,

i can't believe this thread is still active.

who moderates this board and what are they up to?

Um, i think i'ts pretty apparant what her motives are, seeing as how she hasn't come back to post on this thread.

I think DA has the best answer. No need to crucify trolls, just don't respond or get all huffy.

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Old 09-30-2003, 03:04 PM
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Oh my goodness!

Look at all of the vinegar and venom this thread has spouted!

Greek Chatters, please remember-- on the internet and off, everything you do and say is not just a reflection of you, it is a reflection on your GLO. Long after your name has been forgotten, your letters will be remembered with your words, and a negative connotation attached to your letters.

It isn't what you say, it is how you say that counts, and I am truly disappointed at what I am reading. This PNM had a question about what to do if she encounters an uncomfortable situation. All of the NPC sororities have zero tolerance policies on hazing, but the reality (as we know from the many news clippings we see each year and those that are posted to these boards) is that there are many local chapters of those NPC's who go behind the backs of their advisers and nationals to have a little "fun"-- and until they are caught, hazing happens. If it didn't there wouldn't be as many chapters on probation as there are out there. And believe it or not, there are chapters within your own sorority right now on probation for those reasons.

If any new member confronts a hazing situation, you need to just walk away and immediately report the action to your campus Greek adviser. If you allow yourself to be the subject of a hazing activity and you know it is wrong, you are just as much at fault, and you contribute to the jeopardization of your chapter. The initiated sister is supposed to know better, but as a new member, you are an adult with a sense of right and wrong, and you have the right as a member to raise your voice and ask your questions to your chapter, your sponsor sister, your advisers, etc. An NPC sorority is an organization dedicated to the mental, moral and social improvement of its members. Degrading new sisters has no place within the organization's goals.

To GC'ers concerned about non members trying to ferret out information on ritual, there are tactful ways to handle these people if you believe their communication is flawed or they have devious intent. But 9 times out of 10, you will catch more flies with honey.

Please watch your words and actions. Consider your GLO and all of its members-- we are all affected by your decisions.
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