Rights - Page 2

justamom · #1 05-29-2003, 08:39 AM

This issue was debated on The Factor last night, and Bethany, they presented the argument you did. It is sound and logical.
The bottom line-it's a PRIVILEGE to drive, not a right.

bethany1982 · #2 05-29-2003, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by justamom
This issue was debated on The Factor last night, and Bethany, they presented the argument you did. It is sound and logical.
The bottom line-it's a PRIVILEGE to drive, not a right.

I missed it! I used to never miss that show. Darn!

justamom · #3 05-29-2003, 09:22 AM

I too love the show, in fact, the whole lineup. It's kind of rare when I'm NOT in sync with the more conservative side. The crazy thing about some of these issues is that they seem like "no brainers". One guest said if they do allow this, then what is to stop criminals screaming about THEIR right to cover their faces.
I can see a dangerous precedent here if they don't use some COMMON SENSE!

White_Chocolate · #4 05-29-2003, 09:25 AM

well, maybe my friends can get someone over 21 to wear a veil in their drver's liscense. . .such an easy way to get a fake ID

it would be so easy. . .

bouncer: that's not you
girl: yes, it is. i'm a converted muslim. we have to wear veils. and i chose to wear mine for this photo.
bouncer: what's your iformation?
girl: (quotes all info on liscense)
bouncer: (hands her the liscense back)

gosh, why didn't this come up before i turned 21?
i would have been paying muslim women for their id. . .

Note: This is all done in sarcasm but you see how silly this could get.

PM_Mama00 · #5 05-29-2003, 10:42 AM

I remember seeing a movie, with I think Sally Field, where she was in a Muslim land, and they made her cover her head. I remember somewhere else where the women had to cover their head while over there.

Well, in our country's rights and privileges (and after reading this thread I guess not in EVERY state) your face MUST be shown.

Everyone on here has some great points. I don't understand how anyone can stick up for this.

White_Chocolate · #6 05-29-2003, 11:41 AM

I saw that movie
I thought she married an Arab
And she was helped out of the country
Because he was going to take her daughter from her

33girl · #7 05-29-2003, 11:54 AM

the movie was called Not Without My Daughter.

This could set all sorts of precedents if they approve it - I know a veil would look much better than the Morticia Addams-esque photo currently adorning my ID.

I'm not making fun of her religion, but dang, everyone hates their drivers license picture.

damasa · #8 05-29-2003, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by bethany1982
This is such BS! Driving in itself is not a right. Driving is a state sponsored privilege. She has a right to keep her face covered. However, if having your picture on a license is a requirement for the privilege of obtaining that license, she must be required to make a choice. She can't expect to have it both ways. If the court finds for her, I think I'll find a religion which prohibits state licensing, then challenge the necessity to have a license in order to legally drive. OK, that last part may have been a bit sarcastic.

I have nothing to add, I just wanted to quote this and bump it back up so people read it again.

Oh and I agree with everything the bethany1982 said.

White_Chocolate · #9 05-29-2003, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
This could set all sorts of precedents if they approve it - I know a veil would look much better than the Morticia Addams-esque photo currently adorning my ID. I'm not making fun of her religion, but dang, everyone hates their drivers license picture.

Funny
One of my sisters looks like she's modeling for her liscense
She's got a cute smile and she looks seductive
Everyone hates her driver's lisensce
Because they told her when they were about to shoot the pic
She had time to pose

TexasAGD · #10 06-02-2003, 01:01 PM

just some more facts i had learned about this women.

she had been arrested in 1998 for child abuse and had to unveil for her mug shots. no big problem at the time, why now?

CutiePie2000 · #11 06-02-2003, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by White_Chocolate
I saw that movie
I thought she married an Arab
And she was helped out of the country
Because he was going to take her daughter from her

The movie is "Not Without my Daughter".
She married an Iranian (Persian) guy in the USA. (not an Arab)
They went to Iran together with their daughter and he did not want to go back to the US. So she had to flee Iran with her daughter and flee through the mountains of Turkey or something like that.

the book is excellent, written by Betty Mahmoody.

ZTAMiami · #12 06-02-2003, 02:20 PM

It was on Lifetime (I think) this weekend. Apparently there are thousands of American children being held in other (usually Muslim countries) as children are the property of their father and they are automatic citizens by way of their father. There is usually nothing that can be done about it besides covert smuggling operations.

texas*princess · #13 06-02-2003, 02:24 PM

Wow, I remember seeing that movie in high school in our geography class. It was really interesting

Hootie · #14 06-06-2003, 11:39 PM

The Florida Judge ruled that she must unveil because the issue of National Security is more important that the issue of Religious reasons.