Date Rape Drugs - Page 3

justamom · #1 10-24-2002, 12:01 PM

Does this fall into the category (refering to another thread) that ALL drugs should be legal???

UF_PikePC98 · #2 10-24-2002, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum

Totally unfounded with absolutely no backup, and some of the most remarkably sexist things I've ever read.

Unbelievable.

You should do some research before you post....

GHB was NEVER used as an animal tranquilizer.......you moron!

You're thinking of KETAMINE...otherwise known as "K" or
"special K"....that is the ONLY drug that is on the street right now that comes from VETS.

There's nothing worse than people who act like they know what they're talking about.

UF_PikePC98 · #3 10-24-2002, 01:30 PM

I'd also like add....

People didn't start dying off of it until they made it illegal.

If you know your drug history, when it was legal it wasn't as harsh. There were regulations. People just found that you can take too much and get really wasted off of it. Some people did die....it was VERY rare. People didn't start dying reguarly until they made it illegal and idiots started thinking they were chemists and started making it themselves.

Our government, being the brilliant agency it is, forgot to do something as simple as outlawing the key ingredients to make the $hit. By not making the KEY ingredients hard to get, they said, "OK, we're not going to be responsible for the deaths, but if you want, you can make it yourself."

A fellow brother of mine from Ga. tech, who is also the prince of some small european country, made the crap on a regular basis. He's from europe and there they use it all the time for weight lifting. There you can still buy it in stores.

It's a win loose situation. The government of America doesn't want to be responsible for deaths, yet doesn't take the time to either A. eliminate the Key compents of G from the market or B. make them extremely hard to get. By not doing so, they have instead caused more deaths from careless "G" chemists. It kinda like the kid at UF who got arrested for making his own LSD in the chem lab.

James · #4 10-24-2002, 01:45 PM

Actually he is kind of right DeltaAlum.

There was a lot of pressure to by the US LEagal Agencies to have Europe treat GHB the same way the US does.

The Eurepean Agenecies came out with some reports saying that there really isn't a problem.

Also, I have heard enough girls say something like, "I must have been slipped something", to give some doubts to the veracity of their claims.

Also, the symtoms described by them are usually inconsistent with the actual effects of these drugs.

Keep in mind they are drugs so the physiological effects are pretty well known.

The symtoms given by fsu24DZ are inconsitent with the known effects of GHB. Sorry but that is truth. The molecule has been tested for decades so its a pretty well known.

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum

Totally unfounded with absolutely no backup, and some of the most remarkably sexist things I've ever read.

Unbelievable.

James · #5 10-24-2002, 01:48 PM

He is actually correct here, although a little harsh lol.

Ketamine was used as the animal tranqulizer. Its not a good date rape drug however, because it leaves the person conscious but at extreme doses it makes you unable to move. Wierd eh? I am not sure I see the attraction of being tranqued out. But I have never tried the drug so I should reserve judgement.

Quote:

Originally posted by UF_PikePC98

You should do some research before you post....

GHB was NEVER used as an animal tranquilizer.......you moron!

You're thinking of KETAMINE...otherwise known as "K" or
"special K"....that is the ONLY drug that is on the street right now that comes from VETS.

There's nothing worse than people who act like they know what they're talking about.

Steeltrap · #6 10-24-2002, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
As a final note, any man, fraternity or other, who has to resort to drugs to get laid is beneath contempt.

Bravo. Real men with real game don't have to use drugs to have sexual intercourse.

sugar and spice · #7 10-24-2002, 02:23 PM

We had a speaker come in to talk to the Greek community that said that a lot of the times, alcohol can mix with an existing drug in the user's system -- cold medicine, prescription drugs, anti-depressants, you name it -- and cause a reaction similar to that of GHB. So while I agree that sometimes a girl may not have actually been drugged in cases where she thought she was, it's generally not due to excessive drinking, but rather a couple drinks mixing with something else.

UF_PikePC98 · #8 10-24-2002, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by James
He is actually correct here, although a little harsh lol.

Ketamine was used as the animal tranqulizer. Its not a good date rape drug however, because it leaves the person conscious but at extreme doses it makes you unable to move. Wierd eh? I am not sure I see the attraction of being tranqued out. But I have never tried the drug so I should reserve judgement.

Well James, I'm telling you it is from seeing others do it....

You're still conscious, yet you can't move your legs often times. It is somewhat like G in the sense that you can go in to a "hole". It is easily confused with cocaine because it looks just like it. However, you do not want to take a line of "K" as if it were blow. Withing 3 minutes you would be knocked out, in what they call "K" hole. you'd be awake but in a totally different world. Amazingly though, about 30 minutes after your in that "hole" you snap out of it and it is as if nothing happened......When I saw someone go through what I just described for you, the first things that came to my mind was...."SHIT! Now I know what those Tigers go through on the Discovery channel when they're being tagged!".......

However, if you have a "Bump" (key chain bump) it's like being drunk and on Zanex.......

Oh and to steel trap.....

I don't know how to explain this to chicks...

Guys don't just go out and buy a $hit load of drugs to give chicks inorder to nail them....

They do it because it makes things more comfortable.....

I don't know anyguy who just gave chicks a bunch of drugs to knock them out and then nail them....

I think thats another overexxagerated story from some chicks

carnation · #9 10-24-2002, 02:39 PM

I just now saw, on CNN, Nick Nolte being led away by cops. He's been picked up for GHP. Oh, he looked like a real sex symbol--stumbling, weaving, blank- faced...unrecognizable. What a wonderful drug.

Harmless drug? They caught him driving in the wrong lane.

UF_Pike, DeltAlum knows only too well about the tragedy of drugs and you'd do best to heed his advice to avoid them.

UF_PikePC98 · #10 10-24-2002, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by carnation

UF_Pike, DeltAlum knows only too well about the tragedy of drugs and you'd do best to heed his advice to avoid them.

Did I miss something or were you implying something?

Steeltrap · #11 10-24-2002, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by UF_PikePC98
Oh and to steel trap.....

I don't know how to explain this to chicks...

Guys don't just go out and buy a $hit load of drugs to give chicks inorder to nail them....

They do it because it makes things more comfortable.....

I don't know anyguy who just gave chicks a bunch of drugs to knock them out and then nail them....

I think thats another overexxagerated story from some chicks

If any gentleman whom I've been dating for a while (I'm not a one-night stand type of woman) would even deign to give me drugs to make me more comfortable prior to intercourse, I would say no. Then I would either walk out or ask him to leave.

Being that I'm 38 and want to date men in their 40s or older, I don't expect that to happen at all to me.

DeltAlum · #12 10-24-2002, 03:03 PM

I was in error on the "animal tranquilizer" point. So was the TV reporter who identified GHB as such in a story on our Delt brother who died after taking GHB and alcohol.

So, I did a GHB search on the web. I read about ten articles -- mostly from the FDA, AMA, etc., but also from a couple of organizations who defend the use of GHB and Ketamine as "harmless" (club) drugs.

In ALL cases, the two were listed in the same sentence -- with Ketamine being described as the weaker of the two, and being described as an animal tranquilizer. GHB was mostly described as a depressent which affects the central nervous system.

So, while I was incorrect, I would argue that a "moron" might more likely be considered as someone who is dumb enough to take or defend the use of a now illegal drug which has been apparantely linked with date rape and death by medical examiners and other experts in the field, including a drug company who formerly manufactured the drug.

Finally, "name calling" as a propaganda (argument) technique is a very weak and almost always ineffective tool among people who are of reasonable intelligence.

If I were talking to one of my children, I would tell them to grow up. And then, given the topic, I would hope they live long enough to do that.

DeltAlum · #13 10-24-2002, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by UF_PikePC98

Did I miss something or were you implying something?

Carnation knows from reading other posts that I have a daughter who was seriously addicted to drugs and went through a difficult detox program.

Thankfully, she realized that she was in grave danger and has been sober for several years.

ZTAMiami · #14 10-24-2002, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
I was in error on the "animal tranquilizer" point. So was the TV reporter who identified GHB as such in a story on our Delt brother who died after taking GHB and alcohol.

So, I did a GHB search on the web. I read about ten articles -- mostly from the FDA, AMA, etc., but also from a couple of organizations who defend the use of GHB and Ketamine as "harmless" (club) drugs.

In ALL cases, the two were listed in the same sentence -- with Ketamine being described as the weaker of the two, and being described as an animal tranquilizer. GHB was mostly described as a depressent which affects the central nervous system.

So, while I was incorrect, I would argue that a "moron" might more likely be considered as someone who is dumb enough to take or defend the use of a now illegal drug which has been apparantely linked with date rape and death by medical examiners and other experts in the field, including a drug company who formerly manufactured the drug.

Finally, "name calling" as a propaganda (argument) technique is a very weak and almost always ineffective tool among people who are of reasonable intelligence.

If I were talking to one of my children, I would tell them to grow up. And then, given the topic, I would hope they live long enough to do that.

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carnation · #15 10-24-2002, 04:17 PM

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