Poor ole Jeb

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by pbpck
I will respond to you, lionlove and a quote by librasoul.

"And America is not the greatest nation ever" -LibraSoul Show me any other nation who would send relief to a country that they were at war with. Show me another country who shows the human compassion that we do, leading tolerance campaigns in a time of war.

WOW. This quote right here made my jaw drop when I first read it. Do you REALLY, TRULY, HONESTLY believe that this is true? What because you see on CNN that our military is dropping food rations over the nations we are at war with? Because you see our troops escort a few displaced natives? WOW.

Do you realize that every day, America bombs these nations? Do you realize how many of THEIR civilians have been killed because America is trying to "protect" them? Do you realize that things like Agent Orange actually occured? The argument you have presented here is far too naive for words. I am astounded.

Show me another country who offers such economic mobility and opportunity.

Um...do you have a few hours? Because I can tell you right now that America is NOT the only nation with a strong economy. Again, naive.

Show me any other country who allows it's citizens such freedom!

What you mean like freedom of speech? Freedom to offer a dissenting opinin right? Oh okay. Because I have noticed that some people have issues with that.

We have become the international police and lender of the world.

I was NOT aware that this was something to brag about. In becoming the so-called "police" of the world, do you understand that we are TAKING AWAY someone else's freedom? Does this make sense to you? Especially since you think that freedom is one of the things that make THIS country great. Our role is not so much to POLICE as it is DOMINATE. And believe me, if we keep that up, we will have more enemies than we know what to do with.

We are a young country who in current history has surpassed the economic thrust of any other country in so short a time. It saddens me deeply to see a US citizen state what you have just said. And who exactly do you believe is the greatest nation in the history of the world? How could you pledge the allegiance and sing the national anthem with this belief? I am not trying to attack you, but understand the rationale behind your thought process. Understand why you would question the greatness of your own country? Or is it just for argument's sake?

Trust me, when I argue for arguments sake, I tend to pick topics that a far more lighthearted.

Why would I question the greatness of my own country? Because it ain't all that great! Simple! This country was founded in such a horrible way. You never answered my question. Do you think Columbus discovered America? Do you believe in Thanksgiving with the "Indians" and the Pilgrims? If so, you are sadly mistaken. That is why this country isn't GREAT. Maybe you are sheltered and have never been exposed to injustice. Maybe you just don't realize what people who are not you have to go through every day.

Believe me I am grateful just like you to be living here. But as long as I have a right provided by YOUR beloved consititution, I am going to speak my mind. And from what I have learned about and lived through in this country, not much good will come out.

I would like to question what LibraSoul would do in dealing with terrorist acts as she stated that war is not a necessary evil. If our country abstained from any wars, I highly doubt that our country would maintain the level of international power and respect it has today.

Well this is a whole 'nother topic. But I firmly believe that we would not have "terrorist attacks" if we did not bully other nations on a daily basis. I do think that something needs to be done about this particular attack. You can't erase it by saying woulda, coulda, shoulda. I do think that bin Laden and his cohorts need to be brought to justice. But if the United States wants to erase terrorism, then we need to stop messing with soverign, independent nations.

znteke, you were right. This is a one sided argument on this board. I am surprised though, how many liberal mided people there are on this board as I find that most greeks are rather conservative.

Well I guess that erased THAT stereotype didn't it? Funny how that works. And actually this is not a one sided argument. That is an oxymoron. Being that you and I have differing opinions...that is TWO...that makes it a TWO sided argument. Please, just because people disagree with you, don't get pouty.

[UF_PikePC98]

LADIES!!!!!


Settle down.....PLEASE!!!!


Get back to the topic at hand or start a new thread for this cat fight to continue in.

[Dionysus]

@ pbpck,
What is so evil about democrats that your dad said to never marry one?That is very extreme. IMO, democratics and republicans may have different views on some issues, but they are not from different planets or anything.

Well actually I have a confession, my dad told me to never marry a republican. The reasons he gave me were not sufficient. I KNOW better not to judge a person because of their party affliation.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by UF_PikePC98
LADIES!!!!!


Settle down.....PLEASE!!!!


Get back to the topic at hand or start a new thread for this cat fight to continue in.

I think that the discussion is going well. If you don't like it then skip the thread.

I am lol that you of all people would chastise others on GC for dang near any reason.

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by lovelyivy84


I think that the discussion is going well. If you don't like it then skip the thread.

I am lol that you of all people would chastise others on GC for dang near any reason.

Yeah, I lol at that too. I don't think the discussion is out of hand yet, althought it is pretty off topic, lol.

ON topic, Noelle might just be headed to jail after all. We will know after this weekend. And it was found to be CRACK cocaine btw, which anyone familiar with criminal justice will know carries a MUCH heavier sentence than coke.

She has spent 3 days in jail in the past for her drugs, but other than that, just rehab. I will keep y'all updated.

But I still wanna talk about the other stuff too, lol.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by librasoul22


Yeah, I lol at that too. I don't think the discussion is out of hand yet, althought it is pretty off topic, lol.

ON topic, Noelle might just be headed to jail after all. We will know after this weekend. And it was found to be CRACK cocaine btw, which anyone familiar with criminal justice will know carries a MUCH heavier sentence than coke.

She has spent 3 days in jail in the past for her drugs, but other than that, just rehab. I will keep y'all updated.

But I still wanna talk about the other stuff too, lol.

She was found with CRACK?

Oh boy, now we are getting into mandatory sentencing laws! She is now a part of the 3% of offenders who are not people of color who will be sentenced under these laws (Gee, I wonder if Jeb'll start campaigning for change in mandatory drug law now?). I will DEFINITELY be looking to see how this develops because if she gets a pass I would figure that people would SERIOUSLY start protesting this instead of just reading about it.

[UF_PikePC98]

Hey man, I'm trying to become a moderator, I'm acting like a referee that way I can show John I know how to squash a skirmish before it turns into an all out war....

[KappaKittyCat]

Y'know, I find this whole situation amusing (in my own little way). Here's why:

If I got caught with crack and I was guilty (i.e. it hadn't been planted on me or something like that), my parents would disown me and encourage the DA to send me to jail for the rest of my life. 'Course, the DA would have to dig me up first, 'cuz my momma would have killed me the moment she got her hands on me.

If my daddy was a public figure and I was in Noelle's situation, he'd sure as hell make a HUGE example out of me. None of this "Poor baby, let's find you some rehab." I'm talking punishment to the fullest extent of the law. And I think he'd be right to do it.

Now, that doesn't reflect my opinion of mandatory sentencing laws and alternative sentencing programs. I do, however, feel that when an official is elected to govern, he and his family should be law-abiding citizens or face the consequences, just like everybody else.

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by lovelyivy84


She was found with CRACK?

Oh boy, now we are getting into mandatory sentencing laws! She is now a part of the 3% of offenders who are not people of color who will be sentenced under these laws (Gee, I wonder if Jeb'll start campaigning for change in mandatory drug law now?). .

I don't know exactly what Columba (Jeb's wife, the one who had customs problems not too long ago) is, but I have memories of G P Bush flaunting the "Republican of Color" angle. Maybe I'm confused. I forgot! They're "the little brown ones"!

Anyway...CRACK? She didn't get THAT habit from Uncle Dubya, did she?

[Dionysus]

Haha! Our president's niece is a crackhead ho!

[kdonline]

Back on topic: Noelle Bush...

She has had a drug problem for many years - since she was a teenager - she's about 23 now? She was kicked out of a private high school here in Miami - yes, for drugs.

[librasoul22]

Corbin Dallas,

Regarding the 300 years thing. I was rounding up actually, I did do the math, lol.

As far as Noelle...what does this say about her upbringing? If her drug habit has been THAT problematic? This is an issue that I would *like* to see addressed, although I respect their privacy as a family also. Being the governor, though, Bush needs to step up. Forget his role as a political leader, he needs to get right with his FAMILY first.

And I think GW should speak up about it too. If anything they could turn it into some kind of anti-drug campaign or something, lol.

[KappaKittyCat]

I'm going to add to my earlier remarks the same thing I think about the whole Jenna Bush drinking situation.

If you're the close relative of a public figure, you yourself are a public figure. As such, you need to recognize that everybody is going to be watching you. If you screw up, you're going to have it rubbed in your face.

The media was kind enough to leave Chelsea Clinton alone for most of her tenure as "First Daughter." This is because she was underage. Once she turned 18, People did that huge spread on her. To quote James Carville, "Minor children of politicians are to be left alone. Adult children of politicians are fair game." Jenna and Noelle are both adults. They are public figures. Perhaps they do not want to be public figures. They had no say in it. But they are public figures nonetheless.

As for Noelle, she's had her chances for rehab, and she's blown them.

[Corbin Dallas]

Originally posted by librasoul22
Corbin Dallas,

Regarding the 300 years thing. I was rounding up actually, I did do the math, lol.

I figured that, just felt like being a smartass

[cash78mere]

as a staunch democrat, i can't stand anything bush. jeb, george, george w....never liked any of the lot. but i do love my country. and i support it. i don't support everything, but i support the country. therefore, right now, i am behind george w. don't like him, but i support him. would never ever ever vote for him though. (i still think poor al gore got the bum's rush---but that's another topic!)

our country is great. and, in my opinion, the best. without a doubt. do i think it's perfect? geez no. perfection couldn't exist if there weren't things that are less than perfect.

as for noelle---send her to the slammer. she's had enough chances.