Rejected black rushee starts "multi-cultural" GLO at AL

[NewBee]

In response to Rudey, I didnt judge you or anyone else. I did not say what type of person anyone of you are since I dont know you. I actually would like to get to know a lot of you and share new ideas, thats why I am on the internet. If you think I judge anyone, tell me where. I did not mean to offend anyone but re-reading my post I honestly don't see how I did. But many of you did try to insult Neicy and I don't understand why. I think I stated that in my original post. As for as it being sad as to how I responded, I am sorry you feel that way. But I really wish you would read my post as for what it is and not try to assume I meant something more than what's there.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by NewBee
I really dont understand why everyone is so upset with Neicy81 for stating an opinion based on her on experience. If she lived in Alamba for 2 years she has every right to cast judgement even if some people don't want to hear it. This thread started off talking about the incident with Melody Twill starting her on organization, which by the way is beneficial to the image of greek life, and it ended up becoming the why does Neicy81 hate Alambama thread. The same freedom that gave the frat from Auborn the right to dress up in blackface( which I personally thought was discussing but I digress) is the same freedom that allows her to come on here and say the Alambama is racist whether you all agree or not. Now, some of you have come on GC and attacked her and you wonder why she is being insulting. A lot of you are being very insulting. I take issue with that. "Rearing your ugly head.... Racist piece of sh--." Not once did she say anythig negative about an ethnicity. But many of you have already judge her based on a debate over the INTERNET!!! How very sad.

Ahh... your username says it all. I understand your point, but if you search for the Prejudism thread in the Chit Chat section, you will understand why we are all gettin on her case. She flat out said that blacks cannot be racist towards whites... that is my beef with her.

[librasoul22]

Ahh...all of the old players are back...me, neicy, Honeykiss, Tom, KSig, PM_Mama....

Time for Prejudism part II.

Well Tom, you asked for drama, now look! You are up to your ears in it. Well, I would certainly be remiss if I didn't join in!

Neicy I am positive you can make a point without telling someone to read, saying something about a Ms. Cleo kit, and name-calling. Please prove me right. You have some valid points, but you are never going to get anyone to see them if every post is formatted this way.

As for the Alabama sorority racial demographic argument...uh...weak. Whoa, they have enough "BI-RACIAL" girls in their orgs to count on one hand! Now THAT is progress, baby! Whether or not AL is the most racist state or whatever, that is pretty sad.

Tom...I agree with most, your post was pretty uncalled for. Neicy is not RACIST because her views are contrary to yours. She has had different life experiences than you have had or than anyone else on GC has had. If she spent 2 years in AL and those two years were marred by racial incidents, then neicy will be of the opinion that AL is racist. If bama_alumna has been there 25 years and has not experienced much racism then her opinion will differ. Who is correct? BOTH.

PM_Mama neicy is not blaming others for EVERYTHING. She is rightfully placing the responsibility for the pervasive racism that exists today on this country's founders and legacies. Don't make an umbrella statement without trying to understand exactly what someone is trying to say. Back to the prejudism thread, everyone was arguing about why oppression occurs and why racism is still prevalent today. I attribute it to the power structure that is inherent in America. Do I blame that power structure if I get a run in my pantyhose or flunk a pop-quiz? No. But I would blame it if I was rejected from a sorority because my skin was a few shades darker.

No, I was not at Alabama nor do I know M. Twilley, so she could, in fact, be a girl with a bad rep. However, I would challenge anyone, especially you, bama_alumna, to say that that same description could not apply to even one girl in your own chapter.

[NewBee]

Despite my name, I have been registered on GC since Nov., of 2001 and have been an avid reader of GC for more than a year now. I have not read that thread and I do not share the opinion that blacks cannot be racist. However, don't you think its a little rash to call someone else racist based on their conversations, oh excuse me their post on an internet site. Even if you did feel this way, sharing it only brought more confusion.

Respectfully,


BEE

[Rudey]

Originally posted by librasoul22
No, I was not at Alabama nor do I know M. Twilley, so she could, in fact, be a girl with a bad rep. However, I would challenge anyone, especially you, bama_alumna, to say that that same description could not apply to even one girl in your own chapter.

mmm...girls with bad reps...mmm

-Rudey

[NewBee]

Can someone provide a link for the Prejudism thread, I could not find it thanks.

[VirtuousErudite]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I promised myself I'd stay away from this thread but it sucked me in. I find some things so strange about this whole thread. Two comments really stuck out to me.

1. At first I didn't see a problem if the BGLO brothers gave them the shirt, but then I saw that they didn't. Two years ago for Halloween, one of the brothers dressed up as another brother, who is Indian, dark, and with long hair (which was damn sexy and a lot better kept up than most girls!). That brother who was "ridiculed" thought it was hilarious. The white brother even colored in his face. I guess it just depends on what kind of sense of humor people have. ----- that was from PM_Mama

and the second

2. This came from the article about the bi-racial girl who was a member of an NPC sorority on Alabama's campus:

Though Houston enjoyed her time in the greek system, she said her race occasionally resulted in some uncomfortable situations.

She told of a Thursday night swap party where a fraternity member invited her on a date to a football game. The next day, she was told the fraternity's president had vetoed the date, saying it "didn't look right" to have a half-black woman accompanying a white man to the game.

At other times, the racial insensitivity was more indirect.

"Lots of times they would forget what they were talking about, and n-words would go flying like bullets," Houston said. "When I asked them about it, they would say, 'Oh, we don't think of you like that.' Well, you should, because that's what I am."



Both of these comments really bother me. What the hell is going on? What self-respecting minority, better yet, what self-respecting person, would re-main in a situation where they were not totally excepted for who they are. What bi-racial person would stay in a sorority where there are obvious racial issues, if you can use the N word with a straight face I have a problem with you and although she spoke up, she should have left the organization completely, especially if it happened "lots of times" s she stated. WTF, do you really need to be "accepted" and I use that word loosely so badly that you would subject yourself to that. Some people really need to get a grip.

[Kevlar281]

Originally posted by VirtuousErudite
What self-respecting minority, better yet, what self-respecting person, would re-main in a situation where they were not totally excepted for who they are.

The name Jackie Robinson comes to mind.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by neicy81
If you still have issue with my opinions in that thread, then thats your battle not mine.I'm not losing any sleep at night over you calling me "racist".But thanks anyway.

Who's losing sleep? I'd never lose sleep over a racism issue. Don't bother me none.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by neicy81
Also I don't recall any name calling from my end but I could be wrong.I'll go back and "read" lol.

I think the real issue (at least for me, and I suspect this is what librasoul is saying as well) with what some have termed 'name calling' on your end is that your argumental style is very confrontational, and very personal at times.

Sometimes, good points you make get lost when people take portions of a post personally, and this limits the effectiveness of the post.

[damasa]

Originally posted by neicy81



This is where reading and comprehension comes into play.Yeah remember phonics and reading class from elementary ? I LIVED THERE FOR 2 YEARS SO YES I DO KNOW. My statistics come from my experiences.READ READ READ!

A quick question here; have you lived in all 50 states of The United States of America?

[damasa]

Originally posted by KSig RC


I think the real issue (at least for me, and I suspect this is what librasoul is saying as well) with what some have termed 'name calling' on your end is that your argumental style is very confrontational, and very personal at times.

Sometimes, good points you make get lost when people take portions of a post personally, and this limits the effectiveness of the post.

Very good points once again Rob.

[damasa]

Would you just answer the question?

You stated in another post about backing statements up with facts, so I would like to know if you have lived in all 50 states of The U.S.?

[damasa]

Originally posted by neicy81



Indeed my style is somwhat aggresive.But being aggresive and name calling are 2 completely different things.

I think he was getting at how you post insults w/o actually calling people names, you know the "blublockers" and "aunt cleo" comments. Both aid in an argument losing credibility.

[Tom Earp]

So To Sad, to let a good mind go to waste!

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