Cloning: Yay or Nay?

[WayCurious]

"Primate NT appears to be challenged by stricter molecular requirements for mitotic spindle assembly than in other mammals. In cattle, the somatic centrosome is transferred during NT, whereas mice rely on the oocyte's maternal centrosome. Also, NuMA and HSET are not exclusively concentrated on the meiotic spindle in mammals other than primates. With current approaches, NT to produce embryonic stem cells in nonhuman primates may prove difficult--and reproductive cloning unachievable. " (Science 11 April 2003: 297)

Sadly, attempts to clone has already cause health problems in women, who provide the primary research material - oocytes (eggs). Dr. Hwang went through thousands of eggs in his failed attempt for respect and fame.

Poor women of color are currently coerced and exploited for as little as US$300 for their eggs. One woman died from the process just a few weeks ago. Other consequences of OHSS is stroke, renal failure, and fututure infertility in the mother and there is growing evidence of increased risk of increased risk of cancers, deformities, and stillbirth in future offspring.

Human embryonic stem cell research is a hot topic pitting patients against embryos ... but, as is often the case, women's health risks are ignored - or passed off as researchers try to determine the least amount of money for which women will be enticed.

For more information, go to http://www.HandsOffOurOvaries.com and http://www.EndEggsploitation.org

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by WayCurious

"Primate NT appears to be challenged by stricter molecular requirements for mitotic spindle assembly than in other mammals. In cattle, the somatic centrosome is transferred during NT, whereas mice rely on the oocyte's maternal centrosome. Also, NuMA and HSET are not exclusively concentrated on the meiotic spindle in mammals other than primates. With current approaches, NT to produce embryonic stem cells in nonhuman primates may prove difficult--and reproductive cloning unachievable. " (Science 11 April 2003: 297)

Sadly, attempts to clone has already cause health problems in women, who provide the primary research material - oocytes (eggs). Dr. Hwang went through thousands of eggs in his failed attempt for respect and fame.

Poor women of color are currently coerced and exploited for as little as US$300 for their eggs. One woman died from the process just a few weeks ago. Other consequences of OHSS is stroke, renal failure, and fututure infertility in the mother and there is growing evidence of increased risk of increased risk of cancers, deformities, and stillbirth in future offspring.

Human embryonic stem cell research is a hot topic pitting patients against embryos ... but, as is often the case, women's health risks are ignored - or passed off as researchers try to determine the least amount of money for which women will be enticed.

For more information, go to http://www.HandsOffOurOvaries.com and http://www.EndEggsploitation.org

In the United States, it is illegal to clone material from human oocytes.

There are human embryonic stem cells lines developed 10 years ago that one has to be approved from an Institutional Review Board, Human Subjects Division. Then these cell lines can never be put into another human.

Besides, I hope folks never have a heart attack, stroke, spinal cord injury, requiring any kind of transplants, including blood transfusions or surgery requiring bone marrow stem cell treatments.

Without research, basically, folks would be dead.

Think about that when you go to emergency...

That includes any gauze, needles, intravenous fluids, respirators, etc. All items have been thoroughly tested on laboratory animals.

Besides most rodent species used in testing are cloned. How do I know, because, it is my career.

Just don't ever get sick.

[sdsuchelle]

I thought this thread's subject was "Clothing: Yay or Nay".

I was gonna say nay

[highflyerlaura]

Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

I thought this thread's subject was "Clothing: Yay or Nay".

I was gonna say nay

Theraputic cloning that can be used for medical reasons: Yay

Cloning for the hell of it so that ur exact genetic code lives on: Nay


Still, the tech should be researched just like we researched the atom bomb. Because even though the end result mightn't be all that good a concept, the tech that was developed and put to good use because of it was worth the effort. The same thing I dare say will happen with at least researching cloning (as long as it doesn't go anywhere near cloning full humans), as it will help our understanding of genetics immensely.

So yeah, Yay for theraputic/medicine, Nay for anything else.

[33girl]

Originally posted by aggieAXO
There are so many children in this world that need adoption-we need to be thinking about this instead of always feeling the need to pass on our own genes.

I think if you really feel you have to participate in this cloning procedure for reproductive reasons, you should also be required by law to adopt at least one child.

It makes me ill to think of how much $$$ this couple is willing to spend - probably enough to raise 20 adopted children.

Not to mention if we keep reproducing instead of taking care of the people who are already here, we'll drain the earth's resources even more than they already are. Watch Soylent Green a couple times, and you'll see where I'm coming from.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by 33girl


I think if you really feel you have to participate in this cloning procedure for reproductive reasons, you should also be required by law to adopt at least one child.

It makes me ill to think of how much $$$ this couple is willing to spend - probably enough to raise 20 adopted children.

Not to mention if we keep reproducing instead of taking care of the people who are already here, we'll drain the earth's resources even more than they already are. Watch Soylent Green a couple times, and you'll see where I'm coming from.

On the issue of money, I think that if a company adopted babies and sold them to a Nike factory, we would make waaaaay more money. Imagine it, their agile little fingers manipulating those big machines. It's a gold mine.

-Rudey
--I would still kill my clone. No doubt about it.

[James]

Hey Kiddies, there is nothing wrong with wanting to perpetuate your own genetic code . . it served you well after all.

Its a biological imperative anyway, right after survival.

[33girl]

I think everyone kind of missed that in my anger I was overstating. Obviously it would have been nice if the people who actually had the kids would stick around to take care of them, but that doesn't always happen for whatever reason (and sometimes to the child's benefit - some people just should not raise children).

Yes we want to perpetuate our own genes, but that's mostly a physiological impulse IMO (see I know my Maslow's hierarchy of needs) and we are supposed to be thinking beings, not just salmon that swim upstream so they can shoot their load and then die. My point is, there are far too many children growing up in foster care here and around the world, and then we have idiots like these 2 who are so in love with their own genes that they're willing to CLONE themselves. Like UF said, they don't want to adopt because of the "health risks" but they are willing to risk heaven knows what with a clone? I feel so bad for this child already - if it doesn't come out perfect the parents will probably try to return it to the lab.

[James]

Sorry but I can't resist evilly twisting your words . . .

If it makes you ill watching the dollars that this couple could be using on adopted children . . . it must positively make your teeth ache to think of the life that could be given to at least one adopted child by the $17,000 that some of the KKG alum used in one year just to purchase(rescue) badges!

That child would have a nice little start on life. Sigh, some people are just so insensitive.

Originally posted by 33girl


I think if you really feel you have to participate in this cloning procedure for reproductive reasons, you should also be required by law to adopt at least one child.

It makes me ill to think of how much $$$ this couple is willing to spend - probably enough to raise 20 adopted children.

Not to mention if we keep reproducing instead of taking care of the people who are already here, we'll drain the earth's resources even more than they already are. Watch Soylent Green a couple times, and you'll see where I'm coming from.

[James]

Ahhh Darlin', to stretch your analogy: If mortal man had the option of choosing a destiny that called for him to impregnate thousands, maybe tens of thousands of women (1egg = 1 woman. look its not my fault that salmon are different) and then die . . . I think that would be a river that many men would find worth traveling. Kind of shoot our load and then die as you put it LOL.

Originally posted by 33girl
I think everyone kind of missed that in my anger I was overstating. Obviously it would have been nice if the people who actually had the kids would stick around to take care of them, but that doesn't always happen for whatever reason (and sometimes to the child's benefit - some people just should not raise children).

Yes we want to perpetuate our own genes, but that's mostly a physiological impulse IMO (see I know my Maslow's hierarchy of needs) and we are supposed to be thinking beings, not just salmon that swim upstream so they can shoot their load and then die. My point is, there are far too many children growing up in foster care here and around the world, and then we have idiots like these 2 who are so in love with their own genes that they're willing to CLONE themselves. Like UF said, they don't want to adopt because of the "health risks" but they are willing to risk heaven knows what with a clone? I feel so bad for this child already - if it doesn't come out perfect the parents will probably try to return it to the lab.