Ferguson, MO

[DrPhil]

Correct. The policies and practices of NPHC GLOs are overwhelmingly not based on the opinions of nonmembers.

[KAPPAcino]

I'm still sticking with my original comment on this entire conversation. Brown and Gardner put themselves in those situations. The way I look at the "Black lives matter" thing is I don't understand why it's not looked at from a broader perspective. It looks to me that people (black people) protest when it's a white hand on the trigger killing someone black, but nothing is done, or no protests are organized when it's black on black crime. I'll bet if those cops were black, people wouldn't be protesting. People are "sometimey" as hell.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KAPPAcino

It looks to me that people (black people) protest when it's a white hand on the trigger killing someone black, but nothing is done, or no protests are organized when it's black on black crime. I'll bet if those cops were black, people wouldn't be protesting. People are "sometimey" as hell.

That isn't true. There is a lot of research and in some cities and states there are panels, community organizations, letters to politicians, programs sponsored by law enforcement, and protests. These do not receive as much attention because society and the world are more interested in social outcomes generated by majority-minority relations.

Violence is primarily intraracial for all racial and ethnic groups. That isn't unique to Blacks. What is unique to Blacks is disproportionate (based on small % of total population) violence and disproportionate representation in the criminal justice system. There are people doing something to address the correlates of disproportionate involvement and representation.

There has been research over the years that has found, with access to a comparison sample of officers across race, Black officers and white officers have the same interactions with suspects. That includes the use of force, etc. When Black police officers obtain Blacks, the officers are often accused of being sellouts and are sometimes challenged to override their law enforcement training. That is why some Black officers have grappled with living in alternate worlds and even, when not surrounded by nonBlack officers, will say off the record things to Black suspects such as "I understand your frustration but work with me here so we can make this as quick as possible". I wager that it is even more difficult to be a Black officer (who is unwilling to go "off the record") because it is frustrating and angering to deal with people who disrespect your profession, your training, and your Blackness.

People would protest if the officer is Black because that is another example of the misuse of power on the part of officers. With white officers it is about power in terms of law enforcement and (what many interpret as) power in terms of race and ethnicity. This is more taxing because law enforcement policies are more easily changed when they don't have to tackle the iron clad of racism and ethnocentrism (among other isms).

[PiKA2001]

http://twitchy.com/2014/12/20/two-po...akes-own-life/

Horrible news coming out of NYC today. Two NYPD officers were ambushed in their patrol car today. This now makes 16 officers killed in the line of duty since the Furgeson incident. Some sources were posting the shooters Instagram account and the idiot thinks he will be going down as a hero for this. People want a kinder, gentler police force but targeting officers based on their profession will not bring that, in fact one could argue it will bring a more guarded, hard handed approach. I'm intersted to hear the response, if any, from the usual instigators and baiters, especially DeBlasio since the NYPD Union essentially told him to go f&ck himself.

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

http://twitchy.com/2014/12/20/two-po...akes-own-life/

Horrible news coming out of NYC today. Two NYPD officers were ambushed in their patrol car today. This now makes 16 officers killed in the line of duty since the Furgeson incident. Some sources were posting the shooters Instagram account and the idiot thinks he will be going down as a hero for this. People want a kinder, gentler police force but targeting officers based on their profession will not bring that, in fact one could argue it will bring a more guarded, hard handed approach. I'm intersted to hear the response, if any, from the usual instigators and baiters, especially DeBlasio since the NYPD Union essentially told him to go f&ck himself.

Yes, this is terrible news.

The rest of your statement makes it seem like there is an organized strategy for people to kill the police. That is not so. None of the protests have had that tone. But if you view protesters and organizers and instigators and baiters, then you're really not going to be convinced otherwise anyway.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

Yes, this is terrible news.

The rest of your statement makes it seem like there is an organized strategy for people to kill the police. That is not so. None of the protests have had that tone. But if you view protesters and organizers and instigators and baiters, then you're really not going to be convinced otherwise anyway.

How did you get that from my post? There is a lot of anti-police vitriol coming from elements in this movement as well as purposely ambiguous calls for the police to be dealt with. But if you view all of the protesters and organizers as peace loving, kumbaya singing, innocent, no other intentioned individuals then you're really not going to be convinced otherwise anyway.

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

http://twitchy.com/2014/12/20/two-po...akes-own-life/

Horrible news coming out of NYC today. Two NYPD officers were ambushed in their patrol car today. This now makes 16 officers killed in the line of duty since the Furgeson incident. Some sources were posting the shooters Instagram account and the idiot thinks he will be going down as a hero for this. People want a kinder, gentler police force but targeting officers based on their profession will not bring that, in fact one could argue it will bring a more guarded, hard handed approach. I'm intersted to hear the response, if any, from the usual instigators and baiters, especially DeBlasio since the NYPD Union essentially told him to go f&ck himself.

You're conflating the issue. People want a "kindler, gentler" police force, as you say, because they are owed that as citizens. No law abiding citizens, which make up 99% of most neighborhoods-- black and white -- would support targeting officers.
As for officers taking a more "hard handed" approach, I suggest police save that for the people targeting them, not most of the communities in the spotlight because of now-covered police incidents.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

You're conflating the issue. People want a "kindler, gentler" police force, as you say, because they are owed that as citizens. No law abiding citizens, which make up 99% of most neighborhoods-- black and white -- would support targeting officers.
As for officers taking a more "hard handed" approach, I suggest police save that for the people targeting them, not most of the communities in the spotlight because of now-covered police incidents.

Citizens are owed a police force that protects and serves the community. That includes properly handling law breakers in a safe and effective way. If people would rather fight it out with the police on the streets as opposed to a court of law, then the negative repercussions that individual faces is on them. No public servant should die because a criminal doesn't feel like being held accountable for their crime and I sure as hell don't want the police to let criminals stay on the street because they fear any consequences from a lawful encounter. Communities get the law enforcement they need. A Mayberry Duputy wouldn't last a shift in the south side of Chicago.

And for officers taking a more guarded, hard approach to enforcement...well I called it.
http://gotnews.com/breaking-cop-unio...cessary-stand/

[ZetaPhi708.20]

A ton of updates today:

1. DOJ will not be charging Wilson.
2. DOJ releases report detailing the FPD's evil racist and sexist atrocities.
3. And it begins again:

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/stat...32448479727616

https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench

WTF!!! A grandmother?
https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench/st...39228727328768

[ZetaPhi708.20]

Breaking news: The City Manager of Ferguson has resigned. Also seeing tweets that the mayor has resigned also; waiting for confirmation from the AP:

https://twitter.com/AP

ETA: Ferguson mayor is not resigning.

https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench

[DrPhil]

I heard someone on NPR today say something to the effect of "Ferguson was shocking. It was a wake-up call that this is going on. Not just in Ferguson but across the nation."

Uh...I'm so tired of people having "shocking wake-up calls" for things that have existed for decades. This isn't everyone's "shocking wake-up call".

[ZetaPhi708.20]

Update: the Ferguson chief of police resigned today.

Peaceful assembly underway at the FPD. Police in riot gear have shown up.

https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench

[KDCat]

Two cops were shot in Ferguson last night. One from Webster Groves (a city on the other side of St. Louis) and one from St. Louis County. They were standing side-by-side, doing crowd control, and someone shot them.

http://rt.com/usa/239989-video-cops-shot-ferguson/

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/13/us...on-police.html

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I heard someone on NPR today say something to the effect of "Ferguson was shocking. It was a wake-up call that this is going on. Not just in Ferguson but across the nation."

Uh...I'm so tired of people having "shocking wake-up calls" for things that have existed for decades. This isn't everyone's "shocking wake-up call".

I'd rather have ignorant people get a shocking wake-up call that gets them to see something they were previously blind to. If you're trying to raise awareness wake-up calls are a good thing. I don't get why someone would complain about this.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

I don't get why someone would complain about this.

Because it makes some of us wonder where the hell the ignorant people (who tend to be of a particular race) have been and why the hell the ignorant people care now. This isn't a mainstream media trend or something for the cool majority kids to Instagram about while it's a hot topic until the next hot topic. This is real life stuff that has been going on for decades and people in minority communities have been fighting this fight.