Supersize recruitment!!

[IUHoosiergirl88]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Someone said doesn't the administration see the implications....my take on it is that the administration doesn't want things to change to a T/Q system because they know the chapters would grow bigger and the Greek system more powerful...and that is the LAST thing they want.

I've also said this before, but I'm guessing that if the system did change to T/Q, many of the girls who are in it now would want no part of it. The school is obviously big enough to have chapters the size of those at SEC schools or larger and not everyone wants that experience.

This and this. I know I wouldn't have gone through recruitment if I knew I'd be in an SEC-sized chapter because at the time, it was too intimidating. I liked how the girls all knew each others' names and had a decently strong connection with every member of a chapter. When my chapter started to get really big, that was a huge problem for actives--people really pushed back saying that they didn't want to lose that level of sisterhood/connection with the members of the chapter. I distinctly remember members of my chapter saying "Well, we're not the SEC and we don't want to be that size" after we were pushed to take a large new member class.

Also, the administration hates Greek life and has really cracked down on things in recent years. But that's a whole different story.

[Katmandu]

It would be great if Indiana (and other schools that use this system of notifying bid/no bid at the same time in the dorms) would establish a different, and kinder, way to let the women who are not getting bids know that their recruitment has ended. An advance call. A text. Something that allows them to go someplace else rather than have to be part of the joyful craziness of bid day. Yes, greek life may not be in the cards for everyone, but it seems particularly cruel and "in your face" to make them find out publically when everyone else is celebrating and there is no one there to help you navigate those first very difficult moments. It is never easy to find out that something you want isn't in the cards, but some privacy and your rho gamma's undivided attention can go a long way.

[Blue Skies]

Hoosieral, I'm so sorry that you did not receive a bid. You seem to have a great attitude about it.

I think that the situation with sorority recruitment at Indiana is really sad. From what I can figure, of the girls who start recruitment, only 17-40% or so receive a bid depending on what year you are talking about. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

That leaves an awful lot of women who want to be a part of Greek life at a state flagship university without a home. To me, that's just plain wrong.

Hiding behind the word "selective" in this instance just doesn't cut it. You can be selective and still place the majority of women who go through -- especially with that many chapters.

Expansion is a great place to start, but I don't think it will be enough.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by Blue Skies

I think that the situation with sorority recruitment at Indiana is really sad. From what I can figure, of the girls who start recruitment, only 17-40% or so receive a bid depending on what year you are talking about. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I have no idea where you got 17% but that is way off. People putting incorrect statistics out there when the correct numbers on on the IUB Panhellenic website does not help at all. Here are last year's recruitment numbers from Panhellenic

2013
Number of women who registered for recruitment 1733
Number of women who participated in bid matching 1160
Number of women who matched 1025

So that's a 59.145% match rate overall. The next group of stats will show you where the women dropped, were released, etc.


Released or withdrew:
withdraw/no show for 21-party 104
grade release for less than 2.7 182
withdraw/no show for 14-party 67
withdraw/no show for 8-party 43
released after 8-party 11
withdraw after 3-party 162
released after 3-party (no bid) 135
Total number unmatched 704

The total number unmatched, as you see, includes grade releases and no shows (286 women of the original 1733).

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

I am sad, as a very proud alumna, that your daughter had no interest in Indiana. We have some high quality programs. Jacobs School of Music is considered the No. 1 music school in the country at a public university. The only music school considered on par with Jacobs is Julliard.

Tangent, but the last sentence is perhaps a bit of an overstatement. Without denying at all that IU's School of Music consistently ranks very highly, off of the top of my head, Eastman and New England Conservatory at a minimum would also be on a par with Jacobs and Julliard.

Otherwise, I've got nothing, other than I'm sorry things didn't work out for the OP and I agree it seems like there could be a better to real the news to those who don't get bids.

[cinder1965]

If you add all of the women who withdrew/no show that is 376....so that would tell me there were 376 women who chose not to continue through recruitment. I would guess it is mostly because they got houses they thought were "awkward".

Assuming the IU system stays in place and all chapters met quota, it would seem expansion is a no brainer. BUT, would these 376 bother with joining those chapters who would expand. Somehow I doubt it. But maybe I am just crabby tonight. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

I have no idea where you got 17% but that is way off. People putting incorrect statistics out there when the correct numbers on on the IUB Panhellenic website does not help at all. Here are last year's recruitment numbers from Panhellenic

2013
Number of women who registered for recruitment 1733
Number of women who participated in bid matching 1160
Number of women who matched 1025

So that's a 59.145% match rate overall. The next group of stats will show you where the women dropped, were released, etc.


Released or withdrew:
withdraw/no show for 21-party 104
grade release for less than 2.7 182
withdraw/no show for 14-party 67
withdraw/no show for 8-party 43
released after 8-party 11
withdraw after 3-party 162
released after 3-party (no bid) 135
Total number unmatched 704

The total number unmatched, as you see, includes grade releases and no shows (286 women of the original 1733).

[Blue Skies]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

I have no idea where you got 17% but that is way off. People putting incorrect statistics out there when the correct numbers on on the IUB Panhellenic website does not help at all. Here are last year's recruitment numbers from Panhellenic

2013
Number of women who registered for recruitment 1733
Number of women who participated in bid matching 1160
Number of women who matched 1025

So that's a 59.145% match rate overall. The next group of stats will show you where the women dropped, were released, etc.


Released or withdrew:
withdraw/no show for 21-party 104
grade release for less than 2.7 182
withdraw/no show for 14-party 67
withdraw/no show for 8-party 43
released after 8-party 11
withdraw after 3-party 162
released after 3-party (no bid) 135
Total number unmatched 704

The total number unmatched, as you see, includes grade releases and no shows (286 women of the original 1733).

I still feel that a 59% match rate is nothing to be proud of. One also has to keep in mind that the 59% match rate you cite represents an *improvement* over prior years.

Also, I feel that in a bed rush, with a fixed number of bids to give out, the number of withdraws/no shows is deceptive.

With 1733 women initially registering, 182 did not meet the grade requirement to rush. That brings the number down to 1,551. Sororities gave out 1025 bids. I'm going to assume that is pretty close to the fixed number of bids they had to offer. That leaves approximately 526 women who never had a chance of getting a bid -- roughly one third of the women rushing.

[hoosieral]

Originally Posted by Katmandu

It would be great if Indiana (and other schools that use this system of notifying bid/no bid at the same time in the dorms) would establish a different, and kinder, way to let the women who are not getting bids know that their recruitment has ended. An advance call. A text. Something that allows them to go someplace else rather than have to be part of the joyful craziness of bid day. Yes, greek life may not be in the cards for everyone, but it seems particularly cruel and "in your face" to make them find out publically when everyone else is celebrating and there is no one there to help you navigate those first very difficult moments. It is never easy to find out that something you want isn't in the cards, but some privacy and your rho gamma's undivided attention can go a long way.

Yes that would be nice! I know also a lot of girls who did get bids felt bad celebrating because their friends and neighbors didn't so it also takes away from their excitement. Some rho gammas have personally let girls know beforehand if they didn't get a bid (although im not sure their allowed to do that) so that they know not to expect anything.

Also thanks for everyones continued support!

[Katmandu]

Take care of yourself and throw yourself into the activities and opportunities that happen at a large state university! You have so much to offer and to learn from your time at indiana. I wish you all good things.

[PersistentDST]

I know I'm from the outside looking in, but I just feel bad for the young ladies that go through the whole process (and pay to do so right?) and not receive a bid. Just seems like an awful way to start your college career (or semester if you aren't a freshman.)

I'm glad Hoosieral has such a great attitude!

[DubaiSis]

It really does suck, but as IndianaSigKap has pointed out, it's not as bad as it is portrayed. ANY girl who goes all the way through preferences, maximizes her options and still goes bidless is too many, but it's not 60 or 70%. In this case it was approximately 7.8%.

[IndianaSigKap]

Hi MC! :-) I believe Eastman, Berklee and New England Conservatory are private. I was using Julliard as an example because most people have heard of it. I had a close friend from high school who attended Berklee which I know is prestigious, but outside of musicphiles most people have not heard of the others you mention.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

Hi MC! :-) I believe Eastman, Berklee and New England Conservatory are private. I was using Julliard as an example because most people have heard of it. I had a close friend from high school who attended Berklee which I know is prestigious, but outside of musicphiles most people have not heard of the others you mention.

They are private—I was just picking nits with the "only" music school considered on par. Those other schools are private, and maybe only musicphiles really know about them, but they are definitely on a par with Jullard, Jacobs and some other schools.

To be honest, I think Julliard is probably the only national music school non-musicphiles know period. Otherwise, as with many disciplines, people know what's good in their state or region.

Like I said, definitely a tangent.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

They are private—I was just picking nits with the "only" music school considered on par. Those other schools are private, and maybe only musicphiles really know about them, but they are definitely on a par with Jullard, Jacobs and some other schools.

To be honest, I think Julliard is probably the only national music school non-musicphiles know period. Otherwise, as with many disciplines, people know what's good is their state or region.

Like I said, definitely a tangent.

This.

I grew up in New England, so if you asked me about good music schools, I would probably name Berklee and New England Conservatory (in addition to the obvious; Julliard).

I didn't even know IU had a music program.

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I didn't even know IU had a music program.

One of my former choir directors did some of his post graduate work there because they have available an emphasis on organ music. That is something not available in every music program.