Supersize recruitment!!

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by Pass the Pinot

^^^. What Southernbuff said and one step more.....does IU as an institution care or see the implication? All things considered, my daughter looked at UK and IU as relatively equal and was 50/50 choosing one. Being Greek was very important to her and GC provided us information that wasn't exactly clear when we visited Bloomington(i.e. bed #'s). She chose UK because she didn't want the stress of the IU recruitment process. (she did not chose a university for greek matters alone, truly all else was equal). So IU missed out on a 4.0 student, active in student government who will be a loyal UK alum forever.

No, I don't think they care. Maybe some of the staff in the Greek Life office because they can see the big picture. But I don't think their Panhel cares one bit. They have their system, they like how it runs and they see no reason to change.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Pass the Pinot

^^^. What Southernbuff said and one step more.....does IU as an institution care or see the implication? All things considered, my daughter looked at UK and IU as relatively equal and was 50/50 choosing one. Being Greek was very important to her and GC provided us information that wasn't exactly clear when we visited Bloomington(i.e. bed #'s). She chose UK because she didn't want the stress of the IU recruitment process. (she did not chose a university for greek matters alone, truly all else was equal). So IU missed out on a 4.0 student, active in student government who will be a loyal UK alum forever.

Originally Posted by Pass the Pinot

She had a pretty big time at the Superdome with the Cats year before last and is looking forward to a big party in Atlanta this year.

[southernbuff]

This is to my point, Pinot...and add to that the research that has been done on levels loyalty and generousity alumni are to their institutions, especially those who are greek. Seems like Indiana would be interested. I used to work in development at a large southwestern university and those Greek men and women alumni not only raised money for their chapters, philanthropies and housing boards but would challenge each other to increase participation and dollars raised for the university. You better believe the university embraces those groups and encourages growth.

[AGDee]

I actually think the addition of the two unhoused chapters is the beginning of the change at IU. The culture has been very focused on living in so as there are chapters where all the women live out and it works, the others may also become less "live-in" focused.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I actually think the addition of the two unhoused chapters is the beginning of the change at IU. The culture has been very focused on living in so as there are chapters where all the women live out and it works, the others may also become less "live-in" focused.

I hope you are right...change is slow. Sadly, my girl from last year told she and everyone on her floor always ranked those two last because they wanted to live in a house. Now, apparently SOMEONE is ranking them since they seem to be doing really well. I hope they continue to shine....I so worry that once the colonizing phase has worn off if they will be able to compete over the long term without a house. But, maybe the student population is changing too and having an option to join and live out will be provide a broader range of options. And I am all for that.

Just so no one misunderstands, I WANT these two unhoused chapters to be wildly successful!

[hoosieral]

I'm sorry to disappoint you all, I know that wasn't the ending you were all expecting! I appreciate all the kind words and support. I do sometimes think that I should have researched more about Greek life before deciding on a college so I would have known what is was in for, but theres nothing I can do about it now so I try not to dwell about it too much.

So what happened next you might wonder? There was no Cob because every chapter made either quota either on bid day or through snap bids. I think only about two chapters gave out snap bids. When I rushed Hungary was the only un-housed chapter, but since then another one has been added and I think there are plans for even more.

I did not participate in RFM again. I thought about trying again, but ultimately decided I couldn't go through all of that again. It is also harder for sophomores to get bids (some chapters won't even take sophomores), but I know a few who rushed again and ended up in a chapter that they love.

I got involved in other clubs and activities and am super busy and happy. i have some friends in sororities so I still can participate in all that fun stuff.

[DJIndiana]

All I can say is that SUCKS!

[DubaiSis]

Keep in mind that colonies do want all 4 years represented, so you would have a possibility there.

[AOII Angel]

Just remember that the chapters without houses have plans to get houses in the future so this is not a solution for IU to just add all the remaining NPC groups as unhoused chapters.

[IUHoosiergirl88]

Another proud Hoosier greek alum to the rescue, IndianaSigKap!

Ultimately, we are the big 'special snowflake' of the greek world--and none of the actives want to change it. Looking at it from the alumnae perspective, I do think that houses (and mine has been working to do this) should be looking at taking more girls than can replace who graduated, but from the active perspective...that was the last thing we wanted. While I was an active, sure we all b*tched about having to live in and follow the 'no booze no boys' rules, but when it came down to it...I wouldn't have had it any other way. Until you change that mentality, you'll never change the numbers at IU.
They simply don't want one year of living in the house like you do in the SEC/most other schools, we want 2-3.

And don't even get me started on the glacial pace of tiers there...gag me. Haven't changed in YEARS. Movement within tiers happens, but moving between what is considered 'top' tier, middle tier, and bottom tier? You have a better shot at winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

ETA: We do want all 26 NPC chapters at IU eventually--I think Panhel set a goal of like 2020 for that to happen? Something like that. DPhiE will be another good fit at IU provided they have the resources to support a chapter at a difficult campus.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by IUHoosiergirl88

Another proud Hoosier greek alum to the rescue, IndianaSigKap!

Ultimately, we are the big 'special snowflake' of the greek world--and none of the actives want to change it. Looking at it from the alumnae perspective, I do think that houses (and mine has been working to do this) should be looking at taking more girls than can replace who graduated, but from the active perspective...that was the last thing we wanted. While I was an active, sure we all b*tched about having to live in and follow the 'no booze no boys' rules, but when it came down to it...I wouldn't have had it any other way. Until you change that mentality, you'll never change the numbers at IU.
They simply don't want one year of living in the house like you do in the SEC/most other schools, we want 2-3.

And don't even get me started on the glacial pace of tiers there...gag me. Haven't changed in YEARS. Movement within tiers happens, but moving between what is considered 'top' tier, middle tier, and bottom tier? You have a better shot at winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

ETA: We do want all 26 NPC chapters at IU eventually--I think Panhel set a goal of like 2020 for that to happen? Something like that. DPhiE will be another good fit at IU provided they have the resources to support a chapter at a difficult campus.

Agree with all of above. Sad.

[DubaiSis]

Well, since my vote counts for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, I would think the best compromise is in a small amount of change. For those chapters taking a strict bed quota, if they took just 5 girls more than could live in, that would make a difference. And my guess is they'd be able to talk 5 seniors into living out And you'd be talking about potentially 50 or more girls finding a home versus not. ESPECIALLY for the girls who have had a great rush and end up preffing 3 chapters with strict bed quotas. The chapters could see if the sky falls after their little experiment and further adapt next year based on the success or failure of the small test.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Well, since my vote counts for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, I would think the best compromise is in a small amount of change. For those chapters taking a strict bed quota, if they took just 5 girls more than could live in, that would make a difference. And my guess is they'd be able to talk 5 seniors into living out And you'd be talking about potentially 50 or more girls finding a home versus not. ESPECIALLY for the girls who have had a great rush and end up preffing 3 chapters with strict bed quotas. The chapters could see if the sky falls after their little experiment and further adapt next year based on the success or failure of the small test.

You would think.....but I am beginning to think they LIKE their status of being the "special snowflake" in the system. Recently I had a new active at a IU chapter say to me in response to our discussing a girl we know starting rush soon at a school on the West coast: oh well, in that system it is not very competitive and every one gets a bid.

I didn't have the energy to debate about it.....sigh.

[33girl]

Someone said doesn't the administration see the implications....my take on it is that the administration doesn't want things to change to a T/Q system because they know the chapters would grow bigger and the Greek system more powerful...and that is the LAST thing they want.

I've also said this before, but I'm guessing that if the system did change to T/Q, many of the girls who are in it now would want no part of it. The school is obviously big enough to have chapters the size of those at SEC schools or larger and not everyone wants that experience. It's similar to Penn State having suites instead of houses. I am sure that if magic land occurred (maybe suspended above the earth, like the Jetsons' apartment building) and all the sororities went into houses, the complexion of the membership and the girls rushing would change dramatically.

Honestly, I've come to somewhat admire Indiana for standing their ground and having the balls to say that Greek life ISN'T for everyone.

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Someone said doesn't the administration see the implications....my take on it is that the administration doesn't want things to change to a T/Q system because they know the chapters would grow bigger and the Greek system more powerful...and that is the LAST thing they want.

I've also said this before, but I'm guessing that if the system did change to T/Q, many of the girls who are in it now would want no part of it. The school is obviously big enough to have chapters the size of those at SEC schools or larger and not everyone wants that experience. It's similar to Penn State having suites instead of houses. I am sure that if magic land occurred (maybe suspended above the earth, like the Jetsons' apartment building) and all the sororities went into houses, the complexion of the membership and the girls rushing would change dramatically.

Honestly, I've come to somewhat admire Indiana for standing their ground and having the balls to say that Greek life ISN'T for everyone.

This is exactly what I was thinking and I am happy to ride along in your lane.