Supersize recruitment!!

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

You didn't do anything wrong. You were just one of the many unfortunate women who fall through the cracks at Indiana. Anywhere else, you'd likely be in a sorority. It's a shame.

THIS!

[BraveMaroon]

So, maybe I'm beating a dead horse, but why haven't the HQs of the 20 sororities raised holy hell about this? I understand you want to have nice full houses, but it doesn't seem like that would be hard to do, even without "bed quota".

Am I missing something?

[TPA85]

Didn't see that coming... Sorry hoosieral.
I hope there is more to this story involving COB or a 2nd try at FR.

[ADPiEE]

oh no...this is not the ending I was expecting. Is there more to the story?

I know very little about this school's recruitment process but how does quota work for the group without a house yet?

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by ADPiEE

oh no...this is not the ending I was expecting. Is there more to the story?

I know very little about this school's recruitment process but how does quota work for the group without a house yet?

The two unhoused chapters get to decide their quotas prior to recruitment based on how many girls graduated and how many they'd like to have in their chapter. There is NO campus total on the campus either, so unhoused and housed chapters with live out policies can pretty much set quota to their liking.

ETA: I just returned home from this campus! :-)

[WestcoastWonder]

Hot damn! 20 sororities? 6 more they have the entire Panhellenic Council!


But i'm sad this story didn't end well. Are you doing COB, hoosieral?

[cinder1965]

Don't get me started about the recruitment process at this school. It's beyond ridiculous.

[southernbuff]

What I need help understanding is, not only the point Bravemaroon brings up, but this...why hasn't NPC stepped in to balance this environment so that more PNMs can be placed. I was shocked that nearly half of the girls who signed up for recruitment did not match. (I realize many women drop during the process). NPC set the precident this year by intervening at Arkansas...can we hope Indiana could be next? Could you imagine how much more vibrant the IU greek community would be if chapters could grow in size to match the interest in being greek. IM just glad my own daughter had no interest in IU...I would have had grey hair for sure?

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by southernbuff

What I need help understanding is, not only the point Bravemaroon brings up, but this...why hasn't NPC stepped in to balance this environment so that more PNMs can be placed. I was shocked that nearly half of the girls who signed up for recruitment did not match. (I realize many women drop during the process). NPC set the precident this year by intervening at Arkansas...can we hope Indiana could be next? Could you imagine how much more vibrant the IU greek community would be if chapters could grow in size to match the interest in being greek. IM just glad my own daughter had no interest in IU...I would have had grey hair for sure?

Southernbuff....yes, agree with all of your points and be glad your daughter didn't go to IU and rush....my step daughter did and I was a nervous wreck. Thank goodness it turned out well for her but it didn't for many on her floor. I was just so sad about it. Here is a link I happen to stumble upon before she rushed last year that pretty much lays out the debates, etc. Some of their problem, it seems, is that girls don't want to join the "awkward" chapters (another rant for another time!) but that isn't their only problem.

I am sure IndianaSigKap knows A LOT about this history of this campus and could add a lot.

http://sororityparents.com/2011/01/s...y_bloomington/

[AOII Angel]

NPC jumped in at Arkansas because Arkansas requested the assistance. You have to want to change. NPC can't force change. It is a group based on Unanimous Agreements. That means all the groups at Indiana would have to agree to change from bed rush for NPC to do anything about it. The HQs haven't done anything, I'm sure, because alumnae of these chapters would kick up holy hell. The chapters are also strong and from an organizational standpoint, I'd bet they look at it as a "Why fix what isn't broken" situation. They have great demand for their product. Why would they change? The bad publicity hasn't reached a point to force change. It's only a matter of time before the IU administration will have enough. Expansion will only help so much. They'll reach a tipping point then we'll see change.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by southernbuff

What I need help understanding is, not only the point Bravemaroon brings up, but this...why hasn't NPC stepped in to balance this environment so that more PNMs can be placed. I was shocked that nearly half of the girls who signed up for recruitment did not match. (I realize many women drop during the process). NPC set the precident this year by intervening at Arkansas...can we hope Indiana could be next? Could you imagine how much more vibrant the IU greek community would be if chapters could grow in size to match the interest in being greek. IM just glad my own daughter had no interest in IU...I would have had grey hair for sure?

The first bold section you posted is a tad misleading. There are girls who maximize their options all the way through preference who do not get placed. And this number is shrinking each year due to extension. The majority of girls who do not finish the process, drop out voluntarily. They believe they are too good for the chapters they have remaining on their schedules. The women spend the entire first semester finding out which chapters are considered "top" and which ones are considered less desirable. Their egos come into play more so on this campus than any other in the Big 10. The ridiculous "tier" structure is ingrained and moves at a glacial pace. Yes, there is some movement, but it is slight. Also, figured into this statistic are the women who start the process in December and then do not make grades to continue in January. This should be alleviated some because all of recruitment has been moved to January.

NPC did not intervene at Arkansas. NPC was invited to help create a temporary solution. I do not see Indiana inviting the NPC to come in at any time in the future.

I am sad, as a very proud alumna, that your daughter had no interest in Indiana. We have some high quality programs. Jacobs School of Music is considered the No. 1 music school in the country at a public university. The only music school considered on par with Jacobs is Julliard. Our Kelley School of Business, School of Journalism, School of Environment and Public Affairs are also considered among the nation's best. Our Hoosier Basketball team is fun to watch. And we do have quite the soccer team reigning NCAA champions!

Every school in the Big Ten does offer its students a quality education on some beautiful campuses. (Had to get my Big Ten plug in there)

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

NPC jumped in at Arkansas because Arkansas requested the assistance. You have to want to change. NPC can't force change. It is a group based on Unanimous Agreements. That means all the groups at Indiana would have to agree to change from bed rush for NPC to do anything about it. The HQs haven't done anything, I'm sure, because alumnae of these chapters would kick up holy hell. The chapters are also strong and from an organizational standpoint, I'd bet they look at it as a "Why fix what isn't broken" situation. They have great demand for their product. Why would they change? The bad publicity hasn't reached a point to force change. It's only a matter of time before the IU administration will have enough. Expansion will only help so much. They'll reach a tipping point then we'll see change.

AOII Angel, you nailed it. Looking back as an 18-22 year old girl, I thought that IU was the best. We had it all going on. I am sure the current sorority women feel much the way I did. Now, as an adult, I do see how different we are/were. This is why I take no offense when someone calls IU the ultimate special snowflake. I do see the financial aspect of it now, more women=more money. This is the aspect I cannot believe has not enticed some of the national organizations to step in and push their chapters to change.

I do not know what will cause change or if it will ever occur. I do know that Indiana would like to be the first campus to have all 26 NPC chapters represented on campus. I believe they see adding chapters as the way to include more in women in the system

Go IU. //climbing off the Hoosier soapbox now

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

The first bold section you posted is a tad misleading. There are girls who maximize their options all the way through preference who do not get placed. And this number is shrinking each year due to extension. The majority of girls who do not finish the process, drop out voluntarily. They believe they are too good for the chapters they have remaining on their schedules. The women spend the entire first semester finding out which chapters are considered "top" and which ones are considered less desirable. Their egos come into play more so on this campus than any other in the Big 10. The ridiculous "tier" structure is ingrained and moves at a glacial pace. Yes, there is some movement, but it is slight. Also, figured into this statistic are the women who start the process in December and then do not make grades to continue in January. This should be alleviated some because all of recruitment has been moved to January.

NPC did not intervene at Arkansas. NPC was invited to help create a temporary solution. I do not see Indiana inviting the NPC to come in at any time in the future.

I am sad, as a very proud alumna, that your daughter had no interest in Indiana. We have some high quality programs. Jacobs School of Music is considered the No. 1 music school in the country at a public university. The only music school considered on par with Jacobs is Julliard. Our Kelley School of Business, School of Journalism, School of Environment and Public Affairs are also considered among the nation's best. Our Hoosier Basketball team is fun to watch. And we do have quite the soccer team reigning NCAA champions!

Every school in the Big Ten does offer its students a quality education on some beautiful campuses. (Had to get my Big Ten plug in there)



AOII Angel, you nailed it. Looking back as an 18-22 year old girl, I thought that IU was the best. We had it all going on. I am sure the current sorority women feel much the way I did. Now, as an adult, I do see how different we are/were. This is why I take no offense when someone calls IU the ultimate special snowflake. I do see the financial aspect of it now, more women=more money. This is the aspect I cannot believe has not enticed some of the national organizations to step in and push their chapters to change.

I do not know what will cause change or if it will ever occur. I do know that Indiana would like to be the first campus to have all 26 NPC chapters represented on campus. I believe they see adding chapters as the way to include more in women in the system

Go IU. //climbing off the Hoosier soapbox now

I knew you could add more info to this discussion!!!!

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

The first bold section you posted is a tad misleading. There are girls who maximize their options all the way through preference who do not get placed. And this number is shrinking each year due to extension. The majority of girls who do not finish the process, drop out voluntarily. They believe they are too good for the chapters they have remaining on their schedules. The women spend the entire first semester finding out which chapters are considered "top" and which ones are considered less desirable. Their egos come into play more so on this campus than any other in the Big 10. The ridiculous "tier" structure is ingrained and moves at a glacial pace. Yes, there is some movement, but it is slight. Also, figured into this statistic are the women who start the process in December and then do not make grades to continue in January. This should be alleviated some because all of recruitment has been moved to January.

Out of curiosity, though, would it really matter if those women who voluntarily dropped stuck it out? In a campus with flexible quota, quota would just be a whole lot higher if all the voluntary-droppers didn't drop. But at IU, wouldn't that mean there would be just that many more women who didn't get matched in the end?

Last year, the numbers each chapter picked for quota add up to 56% of the open house pool. If I understand it correctly, don't they choose quota before recruitment starts? So, one way or another, almost half those who registered wouldn't be placed, right? (I do know that some houses took over their quota number, but I'm guessing that is at the individual house's discretion.)

I don't mean to be argumentative!! It just seems like the way this system is, we really can't fault the girls who drop out early, because ultimately quota wouldn't be any bigger than it is.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by pbear19

Out of curiosity, though, would it really matter if those women who voluntarily dropped stuck it out? In a campus with flexible quota, quota would just be a whole lot higher if all the voluntary-droppers didn't drop. But at IU, wouldn't that mean there would be just that many more women who didn't get matched in the end?

Last year, the numbers each chapter picked for quota add up to 56% of the open house pool. If I understand it correctly, don't they choose quota before recruitment starts? So, one way or another, almost half those who registered wouldn't be placed, right? (I do know that some houses took over their quota number, but I'm guessing that is at the individual house's discretion.)

I don't mean to be argumentative!! It just seems like the way this system is, we really can't fault the girls who drop out early, because ultimately quota wouldn't be any bigger than it is.

Yes, I believe it would make a difference. We all know so many things change during preference, if these women would stick it out I think they would grow to like one or more of those chapter they think they are too good for at the time. IU does use quota additions. So more women can be placed in the system with quota additions. They chapters who allow live outs can take QAs.

I was tailgating and we are near the infamous tailgating field. I can tell you as an adult, that some of the cutest girls I saw yesterday were from those "less desirable" chapters. And yes, the sorority women wear letters for tailgates (either tanks, fanny packs, hats, etc) don't get me started on that.

There will be another new chapter colonizing in January. I think DPhiE will provide a great opportunity to place more women in the system.

[Pass the Pinot]

^^^. What Southernbuff said and one step more.....does IU as an institution care or see the implication? All things considered, my daughter looked at UK and IU as relatively equal and was 50/50 choosing one. Being Greek was very important to her and GC provided us information that wasn't exactly clear when we visited Bloomington(i.e. bed #'s). She chose UK because she didn't want the stress of the IU recruitment process. (she did not chose a university for greek matters alone, truly all else was equal). So IU missed out on a 4.0 student, active in student government who will be a loyal UK alum forever.