RFM Question - Page 4

irishpipes · #1 08-17-2012, 06:39 PM

I didn't take it as a jab - just wanted to make sure you (or whoever) knows that I don't have any official resource for 99% of my information. I just take what I can get! And total is hard to get!

MaryPoppins · #2 08-17-2012, 06:40 PM

<3 Irishpipes and her work on GC!

Sciencewoman · #3 08-18-2012, 08:15 AM

My campus has adjusted Total every year for the past 3 years. It went up twice, now it's gone down. Every chapter was CORing in the spring for 3-4 members, which takes a lot of time and resources for not much payoff, so a vote was taken to lower Total back down slightly. There have been 3 colonizations in the past 6 years, and the second stacked sorority from the last expansion is coming on next fall. That will probably mess with numbers again. I'm glad they're actively working on it, because it benefits everyone. It's an ongoing process of finding a healthy, but manageable, chapter size that meets the needs of interested PNMs and chapter resources.

DubaiSis · #4 08-18-2012, 02:13 PM

I think the expansions make continually modified total imperative. Because, again, I'm a fan of real life numbers. I would think there are several campuses who would LOVE for total to drop by 20 or 30, but even 2 would be something.

33girl · #5 08-19-2012, 12:13 PM

What MaryPoppins brought up (i.e. that Panhel might not be as stringent in doing this in a timely manner as they should be) coupled with Dee's mention that too-high totals don't get adjusted down quickly enough is why I said what I said.

If you're going to do something like not let Panhel use any money until they get it together and adjust total

I think doing it would work fine on a yearly basis. You just have to make sure it GETS DONE.

You have to be able to differentiate what is something that's going to be a lasting change (i.e. the school just completed a huge building push and can now accomodate the students it had to turn away for lack of room) and something that's a "blip" (i.e. high birth rate for the year).

gee_ess · #6 08-20-2012, 01:13 AM

I have another RFM question:

I, admittedly, am not an expert on RFM. I was a recruitment advisor, so do have a handle on the theory, methodology, etc. So, It has been my understanding that one of the aspects of RFM, is if a pnm maximizes her choices on pref, that she is guaranteed placement at one of those houses who returned her to pref.

Why, then, has Arkansas told their pnms for the past two years that it IS possible to make it all the way through pref round but still remain bid less?

Titchou · #7 08-20-2012, 06:52 AM

I posted the quote from the NPC MOI once before. The bottom line is that the PNM "should" be on the chapter's bid list if they were invited to pref but PH cannot require that the chapters do that. And the woman has to list all her pref chapters on her bid card.

DubaiSis · #8 08-20-2012, 03:03 PM

I suppose that although policy for everyone as far as I've ever heard is if you are invited to preference you are on the bid list somewhere is technically MS information and is therefore secret. So the MOI can't say it as a pat answer since they can't state private member selection information.

Does anyone know of any school where they use RFM, a girl attends preference, fully fills out her bid card and ISN'T guaranteed a spot? The exception may prove the rule.

IndianaSigKap · #9 08-20-2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Does anyone know of any school where they use RFM, a girl attends preference, fully fills out her bid card and ISN'T guaranteed a spot? The exception may prove the rule.

Indiana...the exception to every rule. What is that saying, "If you can't be the good example, be the glaring mistake?"

I didn't think that schools HAD to offer bids if a PNM did not match, even if she maximized her options. I assume many schools to this, but it doesn't sound like they have to.

DeltaBetaBaby · #10 08-20-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

Indiana...the exception to every rule. What is that saying, "If you can't be the good example, be the glaring mistake?"

I didn't think that schools HAD to offer bids if a PNM did not match, even if she maximized her options. I assume many schools to this, but it doesn't sound like they have to.

Right, if a chapter found out something extremely unsavory minutes before pref, you better believe they would still take her off of the final bid list.

Titchou · #11 08-20-2012, 05:21 PM

I would think very few would do that knowing that it's possible for a chapter to delete a woman.

UGAalum94 · #12 08-20-2012, 05:49 PM

Are all schools now on the unlimited QA system now?

I can remember getting confused here a few years ago because I started thinking that for any school using RFM and QAs, a PNM who maximized her options would get a bid. One of the more knowledgeable folks checked me because UGA didn't yet promise that, and in hindsight, I suspect that it was because there were still limits on how many QAs a chapter could get, and depending on where a girl preffed, her chapters could max out before they got to her, I guess.

Excepting the kind of info that Titchou mentioned when a chapter wants to remove someone from the bid list for cause, based on new info the chapter received, what would keep a girl who maximized her options at pref from getting a bid these days? Why is Arkansas telling them that?

Titchou · #13 08-20-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Are all schools now on the unlimited QA system now?

I can remember getting confused here a few years ago because I started thinking that for any school using RFM and QAs, a PNM who maximized her options would get a bid. One of the more knowledgeable folks checked me because UGA didn't yet promise that, and in hindsight, I suspect that it was because there were still limits on how many QAs a chapter could get, and depending on where a girl preffed, her chapters could max out before they got to her, I guess.

Excepting the kind of info that Titchou mentioned when a chapter wants to remove someone from the bid list for cause, based on new info the chapter received, what would keep a girl who maximized her options at pref from getting a bid these days? Why is Arkansas telling them that?

Arkansas isn't telling them anything beyond that it's possible. They certainly shouldn't qualify it because that would border on private membership selection information. Unless the University REQUIRES that all women a pref be placed, it is ALWAYS possible that someone who has maximized her options will go without a bid - possible, but not probable. But they are better off not promising. I don't see a problem with it. The Green Book says "should" put them all on their bid list and they are just following that dictate.

DubaiSis · #14 08-20-2012, 10:27 PM

I meant other than Indiana, our special snowflake school

Titchou · #15 08-21-2012, 06:56 AM

With RFM, if you are on a bid list and you listed that group on your bid card AND maximized your options,you will get a bid. The issue is whether or not you made the bid list....and it's possible to attend a pref and not be on that group's bid list. Not probable - but possible.