RFM Question - Page 2

UGAalum94 · #1 08-16-2012, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HQWest

If this happened at prefs - and the GA makes such calls, she might only get one choice. She would have to take whatever the GA comes up with. If she waits for COB she might have 3 or 4 chapters to choose from or have a better chance to evaluate where her friends end up?

But she could go to prefs and figure that out for herself, right? If she didn't like the one option, she could not list it on her bid card and still leave herself eligible for COB. On the other hand, she might have liked that one chapter.

There was one PNM I was corresponding with here who was apparently dropped from about five chapters at UGA for third round to no one for prefs.

It could have been the case that none of the five really wanted her, but having looked at her list of chapters, some would have seemed selective enough to me that they would have released her before third if that was the case.

AGDee · #2 08-16-2012, 09:35 PM

It seems like you could be setting up the young woman to end up bidless anyway if you did this right before Pref.

Titchou · #3 08-16-2012, 09:39 PM

If she makes it to third round with the "highly selective groups" she's still going to be on the other groups lists. She shouldn't have to worry.

UGAalum94 · #4 08-16-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

If she makes it to third round with the "highly selective groups" she's still going to be on the other groups lists. She shouldn't have to worry.

I may not understand how much the release requirements drop off.

You're basically saying that say at a campus where one goes to six groups for third and three for prefs that virtually no one would make the cut to be invited to the most selective chapter for third round but also be too low to be invited to prefs by the sixth?

I was imagining there could be scenarios for a girl ranked around 200 by multiple groups. She might easily make it to third but not make it to prefs at all.

33girl · #5 08-16-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I may not understand how much the release requirements drop off.

That's exactly what I was wondering. I thought if RFM was working the way it's supposed to, by the time you get to pref, the most popular chapters are down to as bare bones in terms of numbers of PNMs as it's possible to be.

UGAalum94 · #6 08-16-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

That's exactly what I was wondering. I thought if RFM was working the way it's supposed to, by the time you get to pref, the most popular chapters are down to as bare bones in terms of numbers of PNMs as it's possible to be.

I thought so too which made it plausible that if you somehow made it to the top six for third round, you might have to worry if you weren't in the top 100 that you'd get dropped.

It sort of goes along with the hard cuts early help you more than hard cuts late thinking, IMO. Not only are you more realist about chapters, but you're going back to the chapters who will be able to invite back the highest number of girls and will go further down their bid list to make quota.

Titchou · #7 08-16-2012, 09:47 PM

This too...but I really think that anyone who makes it to the last round before pref is going to have an option...it just may not be her preferred option.

DeltaBetaBaby · #8 08-16-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

This too...but I really think that anyone who makes it to the last round before pref is going to have an option...it just may not be her preferred option.

I would think the total drop is rare, but probably there are a handful in ever big FR. Illinois publishes its stats, and I think it's like 5/year, on average, that go to second invitational and rank, then don't get an invitation to pref. I was thinking the GA should take a second look at these girls and offer to let them be addition invites, just because it seems that it means so much the PNM's, and so little to each chapter (assuming they are awesome girls who just got bitten by the numbers).

WCsweet<3 · #9 08-16-2012, 10:52 PM

What is a flex minus list?

dukedg · #10 08-16-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WCsweet<3

What is a flex minus list?

It's the same thing as flex plus, also ranked PNMs, but the first 10 or 15 or whatever that we would drop if our return is higher than they thought.

Do other schools not use a flex minus list?

WCsweet<3 · #11 08-16-2012, 11:00 PM

I was only a sorority recruiter one year and was a rho gamma the rest so I was never involved in actually making a list. I have no idea what my chapter/campus used. I've only heard of the flex lists because of GC.

DeltaBetaBaby · #12 08-16-2012, 11:50 PM

I am surprised that people would be uncomfortable with this, but okay with QA's. Aren't they the exact same thing, just at a later point?

dukedg · #13 08-17-2012, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I am surprised that people would be uncomfortable with this, but okay with QA's. Aren't they the exact same thing, just at a later point?

I think you all make good points. If she's on our flex add list, then we were comfortable having her somewhere on our bid list. I think as long as I put her last on the pref list, I'd be comfortable. I just would want to make sure she doesn't get an advantage over anyone we wanted more.

One question... let's say we're only going to get 5 QAs based on decisions the GA is going to make. I'd rather have 5 other women we wanted more than her, but she can only get a bid from us. So, will she bump out one of the other 5 QAs we wanted more? As long as the GA guarantees us she will be a free quota addition on bid day too, I'd be comfortable.

DeltaBetaBaby · #14 08-17-2012, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dukedg

I think you all make good points. If she's on our flex add list, then we were comfortable having her somewhere on our bid list. I think as long as I put her last on the pref list, I'd be comfortable. I just would want to make sure she doesn't get an advantage over anyone we wanted more.

One question... let's say we're only going to get 5 QAs based on decisions the GA is going to make. I'd rather have 5 other women we wanted more than her, but she can only get a bid from us. So, will she bump out one of the other 5 QAs we wanted more? As long as the GA guarantees us she will be a free quota addition on bid day too, I'd be comfortable.

Again, I'm pretty sure this happens already with QAs. If a woman has only XYZ left at pref, she will end up as a QA to XYZ. If some other woman has XYZ and ABC, in that order, it's entirely possible that she could get placed at ABC to give XYZ and ABC one QA each, even though the second woman is higher on XYZ's bid list.

Also, it's been my experience that ranking women on a final bid list comes down to the slimmest of margins, once you get past the top "rush crushes".

(I suppose it would be a problem if the woman who was returned to your chapter was a legacy, and you had the legacies-first policy)

DubaiSis · #15 08-17-2012, 12:53 AM

I think this is a good idea, and something that could easily be written into the code. And frankly, it could be done at every stage. If a girl is going to be cut out completely, the computer goes back to the flex lists to see if she was on any/some. If a girl is on a flex list, the chapter was willing to invite her back anyway, and the number of girls being invited to any given round of rush is determined by the RFM coding so adding 5 girls automatically (without asking the chapter) would be easily done. Now, this does NOT mean a girl who legitimately got cut from every chapter gets a free ride. But the cuts are brutal and the sororities are making a lot of tough choices. Or maybe a high flex (where she would get a pass) and low flex (where she wouldn't) could work. Or stated another day, if she's on the top half of the flex list she gets a pass.

Just a thought but I think trying to help the girls who fall through the cracks would be a good thing and not punishing any chapters or cramming anything down their throats.