Gunman Opens Fire During "The Dark Knight Rises"

[BAckbOwlsgIrl]

It SUCKS. IT SUCKS REALLY BAD

Sorry to be dramatic, Gang. Just telling it like it is.

This community and Colorado have been through alot.
We survived the fires, feeling completely helpless while everything around us was burning. We had smoke from both the High Park and Waldo Canyon fires. It hurt like hell to have smoke in blowing between the mountains from countless fires in the state. We came together. Greeks came out in force to help the victims. They were AMAZING and we can be so proud of them.

And now this.

It SUCKS. IT SUCKS REALLY BAD

We were so looking forward to our Olympians in London. Missy Franklin is a favorite. We are so proud of her and all of those that train in Colorado including the Olympic training facility.

The city and everyone is hurting right now. We will get through this.
We got through Columbine and Platte Canyon as well as everything else.

Kathy Lee Bates said it best;
"O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!"

I didn't think that we could take anymore but we will.
And Greeks will be there. Trust me, they will be. We as a GLO community and their respective organizations can be proud of them.

KEEP THE KARMA COMING...

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by tcsparky

People who grew up in hunting communities, have been in the military or who have received proper training often choose defense over retreat.

Practice makes perfect... Except when your life is on the line.

There are people who go through the most advanced military training in the world, and then panic and retreat when it comes to the real deal.

And I don't think I even have to explain to you the difference between shooting a person who's shooting back at you in a crowded, smoke-filled theater, and attempting to kill a defenseless deer in the woods.

Originally Posted by Kevin

They've all had the classes, so one would hope that if someone is going to carry a gun, they know how to use it correctly.

My job is to train people how to use one particular computer program. My company implemented it 2+ years ago. There are people who still don't know how to perform basic functions like cutting and pasting, even after I've shown them how to do it 10 different times. And they use this program all day, every day.

The fact that someone attended a class means nothing.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by tcsparky

Let's just hope this guy isn't found "not guilty for reason of mental defect", or whatever they call it there.

In Colorado, you have to be able to prove that the Defendant couldn't distinguish between right or wrong. I think that'd be a hell of a tough sell considering the fact that he planned this thing out, probably over a period of months or years. His apartment is boobytrapped, he was wearing body armor, so he had to think that what he was doing would be wrong enough that someone might shoot back, so while I think this is a possible defense, it's a terrible defense in this case for a number of reasons.

Insanity defenses or not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect defenses are incredibly rare to see used and it's much rarer to see those defenses actually work.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DGTess

No one said if someone had a concealed weapon it would have stopped the attack. Only that it might.

She does say "could have possibly," but to me, this comes close enough:

Originally Posted by tcsparky

I also see how this is a case advocating for personal concealed carry. If just one person in that theatre had been trained and able to stop this guy, imagine how many of those 12 deaths could have possibly been prevented.

Again, it's simplistic, because we can similarly imagine that the hypothetical person carrying a concealed weapon who tried to help wasn't trained well enough for a task like that.

It's not that it's not possible that it could have helped. It course it might have. What I'm uncomfortable with is the bald assertions in the wake of an incident like this along the lines of "this shows why we need to be able to carry concealed weapon into places like movie theaters." I think that's a knee-jerk reaction that ignores the possibility of the law of unintended consequences and assumes only two possible outcomes -- that it would have helped or that it would not have made a difference -- and ignores the third possible outcome. That's the part of it I have a problem with.