A disconnect with legacies?

[BraveMaroon]

Originally Posted by Just interested

Pepper White is a proud KD. I'm not for sure where Tiger pledged. I think she went to Auburn.

Pepper is one of my favorite KD's. A very involved KD and a former National Officer. She is going get a kick out of this.

I thought her sister came to UGA as well, but I could be wrong. I know the Red and Black did a story about them.

Obviously, it's a name you never forget!

[wildcatfan]

Thought I'd print out out the info from the K-State rush pamphlet so people can compare it if they want. NPC groups consider legacies as follows:

Alpha Chi Omega: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother
Alpha Delta Pi: sister, mother, grandmother
Alpha Xi Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, aunts, step-relatives
Chi Omega: sister, mother
Delta Delta Delta: sister, mother, step-sister, step-mother
Gamma Phi Beta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother Kappa Alpha Theta: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother Kappa Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother, half- relatives
Kappa Kappa Gamma: sister, mother, grandmother
Pi Beta Phi: sister, mother, grandmother
Sigma Kappa: sister, mother, grandmother, aunt, step-relatives
Zeta Tau Alpha: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, aunts, step-relatives

[33girl]

I guess it would be hideously un-PC to make a distinction between "stepmother who's raised you since she married your dad when you were 3" and "stepmother who my dad married when I was 16 that I never see because they live in Europe."

Then again, some people's biological moms are like that latter example, too.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I guess it would be hideously un-PC to make a distinction between "stepmother who's raised you since she married your dad when you were 3" and "stepmother who my dad married when I was 16 that I never see because they live in Europe."

Then again, some people's biological moms are like that latter example, too.

Yep, I was thinking about the exact same thing. I technically have a "stepmother" who's an AXO. She's been with my father since I was 16 but I consider her "my dad's wife" and it never would have occurred to me that I might be an AXO legacy. That would have been absurd. (This is in no way a jab at AXO!) She's a wonderful woman but she is in no way, shape or form anything resembling a "mother". She's only 7 years older than me. They don't live in Europe but they might as well. I never see them.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I guess it would be hideously un-PC to make a distinction between "stepmother who's raised you since she married your dad when you were 3" and "stepmother who my dad married when I was 16 that I never see because they live in Europe."

Then again, some people's biological moms are like that latter example, too.

Yes, biological mother could be living with Step-Dad in Europe just as easily.

There's nothing "PC*" about it, it's just not possible in a policy sense.

I kind of feel like some people expect an overarching sorority policy to handle every possible nuance:

~~~ XYZ will give special consideration to every daughter, granddaughter and sister of a member, who is at least active enough in the sorority to be considered an active alumna member, and who has a thorough and loving relationship with her family member that is both supportive and educative in the policies and practices of sorority membership, recruitment and the lifelong commitment required without promising said family member membership or any expectation of guaranteed membership. Extra special consideration will be given to any of the above relatives of a member if they are named after a sorority founder or donated to the sorority foundation at birth. All donations are tax deductible. ~~~

It's just NOT POSSIBLE. Legacy policies are listed on the websites as applicable, all further discussion probably goes into MS and really don't need to be dissected twenty times til Sunday. They're general because they're inter/national and apply to every single chapter. That's just how it pretty much has to be belonging to inter/national organizations.




*PC is a bullshit phrase mostly made up and used by people who think that being polite infringes too much on their freedom to use offensive words. Being "un-PC" is not a thing, there's usually just being "an asshole." Like trying to find out if a PNM's mom is a) alive, b) really loves her or just kind of likes her or c) abandoned her and lives in Europe.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

*PC is a bullshit phrase mostly made up and used by people who think that being polite infringes too much on their freedom to use offensive words. Being "un-PC" is not a thing, there's usually just being "an asshole."

Sometimes, sometimes not.

[Xylochick216]

Alpha Chi Omega lets the PNM define the relationship, as far as steps go. Like other orgs, if the PNM considers the step-mother like a mother, she can claim the legacy.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Sometimes, sometimes not.

Most of the time, not. "Politeness" and "political correctness" have very little to do with one another. Calling someone "a person with disabilities" instead of "a cripple" doesn't mean you treat them any nicer or do things that actually help them.

Perhaps PC wasn't the most accurate phrase to use in my post, but if you can think of another, go for it.

[TriDeltaSallie]

Originally Posted by wildcatfan

Thought I'd print out out the info from the K-State rush pamphlet so people can compare it if they want. NPC groups consider legacies as follows:

Alpha Chi Omega: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother
Alpha Delta Pi: sister, mother, grandmother
Alpha Xi Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, aunts, step-relatives
Chi Omega: sister, mother
Delta Delta Delta: sister, mother, step-sister, step-mother
Gamma Phi Beta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother Kappa Alpha Theta: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother Kappa Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother, half- relatives
Kappa Kappa Gamma: sister, mother, grandmother
Pi Beta Phi: sister, mother, grandmother
Sigma Kappa: sister, mother, grandmother, aunt, step-relatives
Zeta Tau Alpha: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, aunts, step-relatives

I don't believe that is correct about Tri Delta. A DDD legacy is daughter or sister only. If you go here and open the "Recruitment Demystified" link it says daughters and sisters only on page 4 of the PDF in the glossary.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie

I don't believe that is correct about Tri Delta. A DDD legacy is daughter or sister only. If you go here and open the "Recruitment Demystified" link it says daughters and sisters only on page 4 of the PDF in the glossary.

You guys exclude steps?

[TriDeltaSallie]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You guys exclude steps?

I don't know if "exclude" is the right word. DDD leadership apparently only includes daughters and sisters. So that means we also "exclude" cousins, aunts, and grandmothers.

The only reason this jumped out at me is because I remember reading that it was only mothers and sisters now and I was surprised that grandmothers were no longer on the list. Obviously a casualty of the growing number of members in recent decades and a need to narrow the potential field.

I'm pretty sure we aren't the only ones who have narrowed it to this degree and I'm sure we won't be the last.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie

I don't know if "exclude" is the right word. DDD leadership apparently only includes daughters and sisters. So that means we also "exclude" cousins, aunts, and grandmothers.

The only reason this jumped out at me is because I remember reading that it was only mothers and sisters now and I was surprised that grandmothers were no longer on the list. Obviously a casualty of the growing number of members in recent decades and a need to narrow the potential field.

I'm pretty sure we aren't the only ones who have narrowed it to this degree and I'm sure we won't be the last.

I understand limiting grandmothers, but I'd be surprised if a step daughter were actively excluded from anyone's legacy policy. I'm more likely to believe that they're just not specifically mentioned like 'adoptive.'

/and yes yes it does mean that you exclude cousins, aunts, and grandmothers... I'm confused how you wouldn't be excluding them? You're not including them as legacies, right? So...

[JFFMom]

Originally Posted by wildcatfan

Thought I'd print out out the info from the K-State rush pamphlet so people can compare it if they want. NPC groups consider legacies as follows:

Alpha Chi Omega: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother
Alpha Delta Pi: sister, mother, grandmother
Alpha Xi Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, aunts, step-relatives
Chi Omega: sister, mother
Delta Delta Delta: sister, mother, step-sister, step-mother
Gamma Phi Beta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother Kappa Alpha Theta: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother Kappa Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother, half- relatives
Kappa Kappa Gamma: sister, mother, grandmother
Pi Beta Phi: sister, mother, grandmother
Sigma Kappa: sister, mother, grandmother, aunt, step-relatives
Zeta Tau Alpha: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, aunts, step-relatives

Pi Beta Phi legacies are actually only Mothers and Sisters.

[JFFMom]

Originally Posted by JFFMom

Pi Beta Phi legacies are actually only Mothers and Sisters.

Sorry I meant daughters and sisters!!!! I'm a Mom that is why it is on my mind.

[carnation]

Psst! JFF! I just looked on our website and it still says granddaughters!