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Old 07-14-2011, 11:55 AM
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I guess I'll just take another step beyond Kevin's point ... historically, the two main legal reasons for outlawing polygamy have been:

1 - The high incidence of multiple marriages and marrying extremely young women, along with the attendant pressures to marry; and

2 - The difficulty of creating a legal accord between more than two people in the same sense of marriage.

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-The Christian definition of "marriage" as one man and one woman.

So considering that we have considerably more resources to protect children, and we are in a position to open legal definitions of marriage across the board ... is it time to rethink polygamy?
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Old 07-14-2011, 12:21 PM
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I guess I'll just take another step beyond Kevin's point ... historically, the two main legal reasons for outlawing polygamy have been:

1 - The high incidence of multiple marriages and marrying extremely young women, along with the attendant pressures to marry; and

2 - The difficulty of creating a legal accord between more than two people in the same sense of marriage.

Additionally:

-The Christian definition of "marriage" as one man and one woman.

So considering that we have considerably more resources to protect children, and we are in a position to open legal definitions of marriage across the board ... is it time to rethink polygamy?
I think #2 might be a problem, still. And obviously the FLDS proves time and again that they have a problem with #1.
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Old 07-14-2011, 10:35 PM
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I guess I'll just take another step beyond Kevin's point ... historically, the two main legal reasons for outlawing polygamy have been:

1 - The high incidence of multiple marriages and marrying extremely young women, along with the attendant pressures to marry; and

2 - The difficulty of creating a legal accord between more than two people in the same sense of marriage.

Additionally:

-The Christian definition of "marriage" as one man and one woman.

So considering that we have considerably more resources to protect children, and we are in a position to open legal definitions of marriage across the board ... is it time to rethink polygamy?
I respect that the legal issues might be beyond complex to work out, but I'd rather appreciate being able to be somehow legally recognized as having a stake in my relationships. That said, simply the decriminalization of both adultery and polygamy would be fine. They rarely are able to arrest FLDS polygamists for polygamy anyway, but instead for welfare fraud or child abuse.

Both of those are still illegal, child abuse in particular. Since manipulation and abuse occur in monogamous and heterosexual relationships it's hard to lay the blame at the feet of polygamy even if that is its historical existence in the US.

I'm not pro religious fundies, but the antipolygamy law was primarily an anti-LDS law. As much as they're on my shitlist and I think their religioun is, um, out there, that's not a really good reason to target them. Child abuse is though, and that should be prosecuted.
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Old 07-14-2011, 10:52 PM
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Cohabitation implies that the parties are having sexual intercourse while living together, but the definition would not apply to a casual sexual encounter.
So, I'm going waaaaaaaaaaay out on a limb here and I've only seen the show a handful of times.

If memory serves me correctly each wife has her own wing in the house where she lives with her children, correct?

Whose to say, that the sexual encounters with the "spiritual" relationships aren't casual? He never spends two consecutive nights with one woman, right? Commitment implies consecutive nights in the same bed.
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Old 07-14-2011, 10:59 PM
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So, I'm going waaaaaaaaaaay out on a limb here and I've only seen the show a handful of times.

If memory serves me correctly each wife has her own wing in the house where she lives with her children, correct?
Yes, however they had to move to Las Vegas because they were living in fear of Utah's investigation/being arrested/the family being split up. Now they live in four separate houses in the same neighborhood.
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:45 PM
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So, I'm going waaaaaaaaaaay out on a limb here and I've only seen the show a handful of times.

If memory serves me correctly each wife has her own wing in the house where she lives with her children, correct?

Whose to say, that the sexual encounters with the "spiritual" relationships aren't casual? He never spends two consecutive nights with one woman, right? Commitment implies consecutive nights in the same bed.
No I don't think commitment implies consecutive nights in the same bed. That pretty much is pulled out of no where.

And the fact that he specifically said he's spiritually married to the other women on national TV puts lie to any argument to the contrary.
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:15 AM
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No I don't think commitment implies consecutive nights in the same bed. That pretty much is pulled out of no where.
I know. I was just.....trying to think of an argument.
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:23 AM
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I know. I was just.....trying to think of an argument.
Thing is, they're tired of trying to find arguments. And I kind of get that. They don't want to be found not guilty, they want the charges dropped and never brought on anyone else again. (to use a metaphor since AFAIK no charges.)
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Old 07-15-2011, 09:39 AM
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Someone sporting me my own wing is waaaaaay more of a commitment than "consecutive nights in the same bed." Sometimes, all CNITSB means is...two horny people with each other's phone number.
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Old 07-15-2011, 11:49 PM
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