Mystery New Members on Bid Day

[KSUViolet06]

^^^We have a thread about that kind of thing, believe it or not.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=70473

Also: Murphy's Law states that the Just Okay Girl whom most consider a "slip-through" ends up being an officer or a total Suzy Sigma and Miss OMG We Just HAVE To HAVE Her either depledges, sticks around for a year and deactivates or causes some sort of major drama.

[carnation]

Too true!

[Titchou]

It depends on how strict the policies are. And that's where we're getting into MS rules of individual groups. Suppose the group does final votes earlier than others...but then they have to release some they voted "yes" on due to numbers allowed to invite. So Susie gets released even though they voted to pledge her. Then, the numbers game catches up with the chapter and they have an open slot and Susie, voila!, is still available at bid matching. Can the adviser put her on the list? I would say yes...and then they wind up with someone who wasn't at pref showing up on Bid Day. It can happen. And has...

[AnotherKD]

This may be a dumb question, but say Laura Legacy is at a school where they let legacies through the whole process with their specific legacy sorority all the way up until pref. I was under the impression that it was like that at some schools. So, if she is a legacy to ABC and only wants to be an ABC, yet she slept with the exec board's boyfriends the summer before recruitment (for argument's sake). ABC, after pref, says no, absolutely not, we don't want her. She somehow gets in, due to whatever mix-up or other involvement by someone else. Wouldn't it be preferable for her to be told that no, sorry, she actually didn't get a bid, and then also, would she be eligible to get a snap bid from XYZ, providing they were below quota? Whether XYZ was the other house she preffed or not?

Again, ridiculous circumstances and ignore if you like, but I thought of that and was wondering.

And re: Splash's thoughts, I disagree- I definitely think that it would be preferable to hurt the PNM's feelings (no matter how regrettably) in order for the benefit of the sorority, who did not want her in, and to allow her to join a different sorority at some point that she would be a better fit for.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AnotherKD

This may be a dumb question, but say Laura Legacy is at a school where they let legacies through the whole process with their specific legacy sorority all the way up until pref. I was under the impression that it was like that at some schools. So, if she is a legacy to ABC and only wants to be an ABC, yet she slept with the exec board's boyfriends the summer before recruitment (for argument's sake). ABC, after pref, says no, absolutely not, we don't want her. She somehow gets in, due to whatever mix-up or other involvement by someone else. Wouldn't it be preferable for her to be told that no, sorry, she actually didn't get a bid, and then also, would she be eligible to get a snap bid from XYZ, providing they were below quota? Whether XYZ was the other house she preffed or not?

Again, ridiculous circumstances and ignore if you like, but I thought of that and was wondering.

Why in the world would she want a bid to XYZ at that point? Also you cannot say no after pref, this is a major violation of rules. Any school/chapter/org that allows legacies a head start like this would have some sort of override/objection process to prevent your axe murderers and your 'slept with president's boyfriend' types.

Basically by giving her a bid you've removed all other options from her except any chapter that didn't meet quota, which she may or may not have been seeking. You removed any chance of her actually being matched where she belonged, because your chapter screwed up the bidlist (you =ABC) so you get to keep her because the bidlist is the bidlist.

And re: Splash's thoughts, I disagree- I definitely think that it would be preferable to hurt the PNM's feelings (no matter how regrettably) in order for the benefit of the sorority, who did not want her in, and to allow her to join a different sorority at some point that she would be a better fit for.

So if there's a PNM you really hate, the best bet would be to string her along, give her an 'accidental' bid and then 'fix' the mistake, right? Orgs are responsible for the list, once it's out of their hands, it is considered completed. That's why there's a deadline.

[AnotherKD]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Why in the world would she want a bid to XYZ at that point? Also you cannot say no after pref, this is a major violation of rules. Any school/chapter/org that allows legacies a head start like this would have some sort of override/objection process to prevent your axe murderers and your 'slept with president's boyfriend' types.

Basically by giving her a bid you've removed all other options from her except any chapter that didn't meet quota, which she may or may not have been seeking. You removed any chance of her actually being matched where she belonged, because your chapter screwed up the bidlist (you =ABC) so you get to keep her because the bidlist is the bidlist.


So if there's a PNM you really hate, the best bet would be to string her along, give her an 'accidental' bid and then 'fix' the mistake, right? Orgs are responsible for the list, once it's out of their hands, it is considered completed. That's why there's a deadline.

Okay for your top part- it was just a question, and I said upfront it might be a dumb question. I'm not as familiar with the process as you are. But for the second, I could have sworn seeing where there are schools that allow legacies to attend all functions of that sorority during recruitment through pref, even if the sorority isn't fond of the PNM. It's not stringing the PNM along.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AnotherKD

Okay for your top part- it was just a question, and I said upfront it might be a dumb question. I'm not as familiar with the process as you are. But for the second, I could have sworn seeing where there are schools that allow legacies to attend all functions of that sorority during recruitment through pref, even if the sorority isn't fond of the PNM. It's not stringing the PNM along.

I can not imagine a school making this policy, nor have I ever heard of it in practice.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by AnotherKD

This may be a dumb question, but say Laura Legacy is at a school where they let legacies through the whole process with their specific legacy sorority all the way up until pref. I was under the impression that it was like that at some schools.

It shouldn't be. Legacy policies are set by the organization, not the school or CPC.

Unless you're saying that as a standing rule, individual chapters have that policy. In which case, can't they just re-do their policy, since they wrote it themselves?

ETA: Nevermind, I missed a page.

[ladybug12]

According to the NPC Manual of Information, if a woman is invited to preference, she is on your bid list somewhere. In other words, no one can be released after pref parties.

[AnotherKD]

Gotcha.

[AnotherKD]

Sorry- but again, just to be clear, I thought that was the case somewhere. I didn't know for sure. Just brought it up. But now I realize via a few different posts that I had misunderstood earlier and gotten it confused with something else. So, thank you! Got it!

[FSUZeta]

I am one of those that who say if the pnm got a bid, then don't revoke it(if it would even be revokable). That would just be too cruel. If it could be caught before the bid was issued, that would be different.

Another facet of recruitment that I have encountered is when one member or a small group of members in a chapter really wants a certain pnm to get a bid from them, so they "politic" for her among their sisters, and the sisters all agree to vote, score, speak for, whatever, for that pnm, and then they don't do it. The group that wanted her thinks that everyone will support their wish and noone tells them any differently. When said pnm does not run to them on bid day, they start questioning. Of course, noone admits that they did not vote, score, whatever as they had been asked, so they assume that the advisors or the greek life office screwed up, which is most often not the case.

And don't even get us started on the savvy pnm who lets every chapter think they are the one that she wants, and come bid day,when her name is not on their bid list, the spurned chapter(s) are bewildered and think that the advisors or panhellenic screwed up.

[HQWest]

FSUZeta - I totally agree. There is always the one rush crush that girls campaign for that is dying to join XYZ that doesn't show up for Bid Day. The computer must have made a mixtake! No ladies, she listed them first.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by HQWest

FSUZeta - I totally agree. There is always the one rush crush that girls campaign for that is dying to join XYZ that doesn't show up for Bid Day. The computer must have made a mixtake! No ladies, she listed them first.

Oh, so true.

A *Major Sorority* at Mississippi State on Bid Day: "There must be some mistake. We know she wanted us, she must have put us first."
Me: "No, I'm looking at her card over here and she put them first."
Them: "No way, we want to see it."
Me:" No way." (and so on and so on)

They're back in an hour. "Here's another one. She wanted us, we know. We want to see her card."

--and they eventually voiced their suspicions about SIX girls! I finally brought in a third party to look at the cards and confirm that the girls had indeed put other groups first! But did it end there? Nooo, one girl in that group kept saying sadly to me all year, "I would put my pin on Kathy _______ right now if I could."

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by carnation

Oh, so true.

A *Major Sorority* at Mississippi State on Bid Day: "There must be some mistake. We know she wanted us, she must have put us first."
Me: "No, I'm looking at her card over here and she put them first."
Them: "No way, we want to see it."
Me:" No way." (and so on and so on)

They're back in an hour. "Here's another one. She wanted us, we know. We want to see her card."

--and they eventually voiced their suspicions about SIX girls! I finally brought in a third party to look at the cards and confirm that the girls had indeed put other groups first! But did it end there? Nooo, one girl in that group kept saying sadly to me all year, "I would put my pin on Kathy _______ right now if I could."

LOL. The game goes both ways. Stupid girls.