Osama Bin Laden Dead - Page 5

AGDee · #1 05-02-2011, 10:13 AM

Y'all are writing faster than I can reply. Re: the burial at sea. Like agzg said, Muslim tradition is burial within 24 hours. The report I heard was that no country would accept the body so there was no choice.

agzg · #2 05-02-2011, 10:22 AM

Ugh I hate that phrase, "War on Terror."

I was glad that President Obama called it "War on Al Qaeda" instead during his speech last night.

We're certainly not safer today but we might be safer way off in the future. I don't expect Al Qaeda to go down without a massive fight, though, and they are definitely not down. They just go themselves a martyr.

agzg · #3 05-02-2011, 10:34 AM

I think part of the reason Pakistan was in the dark was because there were concerns that while Pakistan itself is an ally there are folks in the security forces who were suspected to be leaky pipes.

DeltaBetaBaby · #4 05-02-2011, 10:37 AM

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I think part of the reason Pakistan was in the dark was because there were concerns that while Pakistan itself is an ally there are folks in the security forces who were suspected to be leaky pipes.

I'm by no means an expert on Pakistan/Afghanistan, but if we sent ground forces into Pakistan without their authorization, didn't we violate our agreements with them?

agzg · #5 05-02-2011, 10:42 AM

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I'm by no means an expert on Pakistan/Afghanistan, but if we sent ground forces into Pakistan without their authorization, didn't we violate our agreements with them?

Time will tell, since I'm not sure of the nature of their agreement. I have heard rumors that Pakistan has been supportive and hasn't outright decried the military action to this point, and I do know that the government had pledged their help should we find actionable intelligence that Bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan.

The problem is that while the Pakistani government has said that they support the U.S., it's pretty obvious that there were members of the security forces that were not, and I feel like I remember reading about U.S. activity in Afghanistan near the border being foiled by members of the Pakistani security forces. In light of that, they may understand. Time will tell, though.

Kappamd · #6 05-02-2011, 10:43 AM

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I'm by no means an expert on Pakistan/Afghanistan, but if we sent ground forces into Pakistan without their authorization, didn't we violate our agreements with them?

I was wondering about this as well. It will be interesting to see where our relationship with Pakistan goes from here.

Also, it was interesting hearing reactions from some of my Pakistani classmates today. They were apologetic, almost like they were embarassed that their country "had him all along" as someone put it.

agzg · #7 05-02-2011, 10:55 AM

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Also, it was interesting hearing reactions from some of my Pakistani classmates today. They were apologetic, almost like they were embarassed that their country "had him all along" as someone put it.

Oh I hope they don't dwell on this feeling. Bin Laden was as big a threat to all Pakistanis as he was to the United States, but it's certainly not the Pakistani people's fault that he was hiding there. The U.S. has suspected as much for years.

DeltaBetaBaby · #8 05-02-2011, 10:55 AM

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I was wondering about this as well. It will be interesting to see where our relationship with Pakistan goes from here.

Also, it was interesting hearing reactions from some of my Pakistani classmates today. They were apologetic, almost like they were embarassed that their country "had him all along" as someone put it.

It may also be one of those things where Pakistan was like "go ahead, but we're going to continue to deny that we said that, so as not to piss off other Islamic nations".

PiKA2001 · #9 05-02-2011, 11:05 AM

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It may also be one of those things where Pakistan was like "go ahead, but we're going to continue to deny that we said that, so as not to piss off other Islamic nations".

This

Kappamd · #10 05-02-2011, 10:34 AM

The Today Show reported early this morning that the burial within 24 hours was per Islamic tradition, and it was at sea to prevent any would-be grave from becoming a shrine to terrorism.

Also, they have said the DNA results will be released later today.

I think that everyone deserves to celebrate today, from the THREE presidents who have hunted for this monster to the families of victims of his attacks to our servicemen and women. No, it is not the end of our struggle with terrorism, but it is the end of Osama Bin Laden and the world is a better place because of it.

IrishLake · #11 05-02-2011, 10:51 AM

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Let's put this on a smaller level. Imagine seeing the family members of a murder victim leaving the death chamber partying and chanting "USA, USA." It's just not done and is a little crass. As much as this is a part of a war, this WAS a man's life. He was a terrorist, but celebrating a man's death like it's a party lowers our social mores quite a bit.

Why would you put it on a smaller level? Why would you even want to? Why would people who witnessed a state sanctioned execution chant "USA?" I know you are just trying to make a comparission, but I don't think one can be made on this level. If that "family" of the hypothetical murder victim wanted to celebrate when leaving the death chamber, by all means it would be within their rights to do so.

Something of this nature just cannot be compared to anything smaller in scale. Yes, it was a mans life. I thank the Navy Seals and support teams who made sure it came to an end. What's the cheesey quote I see all the time? "It's God's job to pass judgement, it's the Soldier/Marine/Elite Special Ops Team's job to arrange the meeting." Yup, that one. I like that one today.

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No, it is not the end of our struggle with terrorism, but it is the end of Osama Bin Laden and the world is a better place because of it.

I think this is the bottom line.

agzg · #12 05-02-2011, 10:50 AM

I do think that killing him in the firefight was A. Necessary because he wasn't going to be taken alive and B. WAY more humane than putting him in Gitmo and waiting for a trial.

AZTheta · #13 05-02-2011, 11:08 AM

With all due respect, and everyone has an opinion...

Mine: we are better than that. To exult or celebrate in a death is morally wrong. That, I can't justify, no matter how the argument is dressed up.

That said, in my opinion, this is merely a close of a horrific chapter. Personally, I remain gravely concerned about what may come in the next chapter.

Pray for peace, but prepare for the alternatives. I offer prayers of compassion and comfort for all those who have suffered losses in this ongoing, senseless conflict. There isn't a person I know whose life hasn't been affected. And I offer prayers of strength, protection, and continued courage to those who are on the front lines, and whose lives are in immediate danger.

txAOII_15 · #14 05-02-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta

With all due respect, and everyone has an opinion...

Mine: we are better than that. To exult or celebrate in a death is morally wrong. That, I can't justify, no matter how the argument is dressed up.

That said, in my opinion, this is merely a close of a horrific chapter. Personally, I remain gravely concerned about what may come in the next chapter.

Pray for peace, but prepare for the alternatives. I offer prayers of compassion and comfort for all those who have suffered losses in this ongoing, senseless conflict. There isn't a person I know whose life hasn't been affected. And I offer prayers of strength, protection, and continued courage to those who are on the front lines, and whose lives are in immediate danger.

well said, AzTheta. couldnt have said it better myself.

DrPhil · #15 05-02-2011, 11:12 AM

These posts made me think of:

Jokingly serious.