Prejudism

[Dionysus]

I haven't seen people this angry since the OJ trial.

[RUgreek]

oh come on, you don't seriously think i'm like that?

i'm beginning to lose hope.

[Kevin]

Arguing something like this we sometimes confuse the need to win with the need to come to an understanding (note I didn't say agreement).

If you present your case in the following format:
"I win, you lose" -- in other words you say in plain english "I'm right, you're wrong" that automatically sends someone on the defensive! I've been guilty of this from time to time but I'm just observing here

Perhaps try to simply state your points of view and see what is in common WITHOUT trying to say something someone else believes is outright wrong. Just say how you differ and why.

Otherwise it's just a fight.. no one wants that.. I hope?

[RUgreek]

No,

I'm not here to resurrect the ill gotten frathater, I'm just trying to get through to some people.

I don't think I've been saying things in the "I win you lose" tone, but if I have, woops my bad. I really am trying to reach out here, but maybe I'm just not saying things clearly.

I keep restating myself and answer each point (with the obvious sarcastic response to the dumb remarks) but I'm just being civil here.


RUgreek


(People actually tell me I'm a nice guy? Hmm, go figure...)

[lovelyivy84]

I lost my patience, not my temper, lol.

Believe it or not I am actually laughing at this whole thread at this point- not a little because when I reread my post it sounded like something that got cut from a Kevin Smith movie. I have watched Chasing Amy wayyyy too much, lol.

Anyway, I stand by everything I said. If folk don't like it, or think it was overly angry/militant, then oh well.

They can still kiss the grits. I'm born and raised in NYC and have never eaten them, but I'll look up the recipe, ESPECIALLY for them.

[RUgreek]

(1) i don't want to piss anyone off, but I will go the distance whenever arguing something.

(2) Chasing Amy was a good flick.

(3) even though you've lost all respect for me, I don't consider you angry or militant.

(4) grits are greasy and nasty. the only reason i ate them was because the waffle house was the only place i could find breakfast one spring break. wouldn't recommend a serving from that joint.

- RUgreek

[lovelyivy84]

Waffle House? Ugh. Passed them on the road, kept driving.....

Seriously though, I did not mean to make a personality judgement about you- I don't know you. I just lost patience with your views.

It happens.

Originally posted by RUgreek
(1) i don't want to piss anyone off, but I will go the distance whenever arguing something.

(2) Chasing Amy was a good flick.

(3) even though you've lost all respect for me, I don't consider you angry or militant.

(4) grits are greasy and nasty. the only reason i ate them was because the waffle house was the only place i could find breakfast one spring break. wouldn't recommend a serving from that joint.

- RUgreek

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by RUgreek


Relax drama queen, you need not loose any patience. What exactly did anyone hear "call" me on? I discuss my points, they discuss theirs, and we reach a compromise in between. That's what a discussion is all about. How am I lying, we are trying to reach a understanding and learn from what each person says. You apparently only see what you think and get mad when others don't follow you. I don't lie, all my posts are exactly the way I wrote them, so what am I hiding? I never said "only standard definitions count" again you enjoy making simple statements out of my complicated explanations. I said, in a simple sense, this is what the definition stands for racism, discuss. I'm sorry if this discussion is offending you too much, I apologize for confusing you.



Actually, I can say whatever I wish, you just don't have to agree with it, ok? Yes, one definition of racism is a social one, the other is biological, why is it so hard for you to accept that? Just because my definition fits how the rest of society looks at racism, don't get so upset. Just learn to accept that not everyone thinks your one-sided views are the one and only correct definitions. I think you're ego is forcing you to be close-minded.



Bad form ref. I live in the realist world, you want the idealistic. What exactly is the point of that statement, you just whining at me or trying to sound smart?





Hmm, ok. That's a pretty big assumption, good job. I probably know more or I may not. This isn't a pissing contest for me to show that I am almighty, but you can rant and rave all you wish, doesn't change me and what I know.



It's alright, I'm sure others think I deserve it.




You don't need to take this personal, it really wasn't until you made it such.



What? you got a gang now against me. Yay, preach on, I thought this is suppose to be a discussion, not a hate mongering session? Listen, stop patting yourself on the back and pay attention for sec. I'm not trying to gain any respect here, I'm trying to bring my points across. First, racism can be committed by non-white races. Point accepted and made, therefore we move on. Two, racism can be defined not only as a social construct (your view) but also as a biological one (my side). It's PERFECTLY fine with me that you do not like nor wish to accept my side, but it's very sad to me that you can't even ACKNOWLEDGE it. Why, does closing your eyes and saying "I'm invisible" make it so? Open your eyes, and then eventually your mind will follow.

Oh, and to all those GCers out there, I'm sorry but that had to be said, so you can kiss her grits some more if it pleases you. I'm from the north east, we don't have grits here, sorry.





How old are you, 16? No, wait, I do know this one "It's already been broughten ." Here I got one too:

"Whateva whateva, I do what I want!"


RUgreek

I am just gonna leave whatever I quoted and not waste time trying to edit for him. OMG. RUGreek, you are quite possibly MORE stubborn than me...I didn't think it possible. The downside to that is not only are you stubborn, but also ignorant.

The VERY thing you argue against, you are guilty of it. Do you not see that? Telling us to recognize and acknowledge your viewpoint when you are refusing to do it yourself! Hello!!

Please, I hate to be a rerun of Neicy81, but reread your own posts from like 4 pages ago. Then reread what you have posted recently. Do you not see how your posts have done a DRAMATIC 180??? If you STILL do not see it, I think that there might be other problems besides your obvious close-mindedness (hey if prejudism is a word, then...lol).

The statement that perhaps made me laugh the hardest was "open your eyes and your mind will follow..." LOL!!! OMG!!! That one was too much.

You have opened yourself up far too much and left FAR too many things for me to TEAR APART, I mean really, but I am sleepy. I will just say that for you to call yourself a realist and everyone else an idealist...that is just THE ICING ON THE CAKE. RUGreek, reality check: Not only are your views utterly UNREALISTIC, you are DISSILLUSIONED about most things...particularly things that are not similar to YOU. Get a grip!

[thesweetestone]

Originally posted by Dionysus
I haven't seen people this angry since the OJ trial.

lol

[lovelyivy84]

I'm sorry but anyone who says that there is a biological basis to race IS in fact wrong. Flat out wrong. Other stuff is relative yes, but that one's just WRONG.

Originally posted by ktsnake
Arguing something like this we sometimes confuse the need to win with the need to come to an understanding (note I didn't say agreement).

If you present your case in the following format:
"I win, you lose" -- in other words you say in plain english "I'm right, you're wrong" that automatically sends someone on the defensive! I've been guilty of this from time to time but I'm just observing here

Perhaps try to simply state your points of view and see what is in common WITHOUT trying to say something someone else believes is outright wrong. Just say how you differ and why.

Otherwise it's just a fight.. no one wants that.. I hope?

[Honeykiss1974]

Ok, I firmly believe that RACE truly is only a social construct but let me go out on a limb here.......

RUGreek,

Could one of the reasons you believe race is a biological construct be due to the fact that there are certain diseases that are inherently found in those of African descent (for example Sickle Cell Anemia)?

Really besides something like this, I know within the African American community we come is ALL SHADES, ALL SKIN FEATURES, ALL HAIR TYPES, ETC., so I am really trying to understand you point.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by librasoul22

My point is, PRECISELY: When you go to fill out a college application, or whatever...the little boxes you check have NO OTHER PURPOSE than to classify you. And when you are in the minority in this country, that is very dangerous. Please mention Affirmative Action in your next post! LOL!

Ok....I told myself that I WOULD NOT post on this damn thread that I decided to start, but this comment downright pisses me off. The little boxes are there to HELP minorities. You to whoever to mention Affirmative Action. The only people Affirmative Action is relevent to are minorities. My sophmore year of high school, a senior got a FULL RIDE SCHOLARSHIP to University of Michigan Ann Arbor because he was Hispanic. He was a smart guy, but he flat out told us. I've never seen my Spanish teacher so pissed before, but she had to keep her mouth shut. I don't understand how you can say those little boxes are dangerous to minorities in this country. If I got your quote wrong, then please accept my apology. But I will say this, I think Affirmative Action is racism towards caucasians. I do not agree with a white man who is an extremely high achiever not get into school because there is a man of diff race who is just a high achiever wants to get into that university. Not fair.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00



Ok....I told myself that I WOULD NOT post on this damn thread that I decided to start, but this comment downright pisses me off. The little boxes are there to HELP minorities. You to whoever to mention Affirmative Action. The only people Affirmative Action is relevent to are minorities. My sophmore year of high school, a senior got a FULL RIDE SCHOLARSHIP to University of Michigan Ann Arbor because he was Hispanic. He was a smart guy, but he flat out told us. I've never seen my Spanish teacher so pissed before, but she had to keep her mouth shut. I don't understand how you can say those little boxes are dangerous to minorities in this country. If I got your quote wrong, then please accept my apology. But I will say this, I think Affirmative Action is racism towards caucasians. I do not agree with a white man who is an extremely high achiever not get into school because there is a man of diff race who is just a high achiever wants to get into that university. Not fair.

PM Mama,

You do realize that in regards to Affirmative Action that YOU, yourself are considered a MINORITY that benefits from it as well? How, you might ask? Because you are a WOMAN! Women (including white women) are also lumped into that category of minority as well as blacks, latinos, asians, etc.

I'm sure your arguement is never heard when a WOMAN receives scholarships, grants, etc on that basis alone. So think about that the next time you or one of your female associates receive a scholarship, grant, or some type of monies.

And furthermore, you are talking about ONE scholarship out of how many ???????

just thought I'd let you know.

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00



Ok....I told myself that I WOULD NOT post on this damn thread that I decided to start, but this comment downright pisses me off. The little boxes are there to HELP minorities. You to whoever to mention Affirmative Action. The only people Affirmative Action is relevent to are minorities. My sophmore year of high school, a senior got a FULL RIDE SCHOLARSHIP to University of Michigan Ann Arbor because he was Hispanic. He was a smart guy, but he flat out told us. I've never seen my Spanish teacher so pissed before, but she had to keep her mouth shut. I don't understand how you can say those little boxes are dangerous to minorities in this country. If I got your quote wrong, then please accept my apology. But I will say this, I think Affirmative Action is racism towards caucasians. I do not agree with a white man who is an extremely high achiever not get into school because there is a man of diff race who is just a high achiever wants to get into that university. Not fair.

GREAT! I am SO glad that someone had the nerve to post this! PM Mama, I am sorry that reality pisses you off. You must be a very angry person...actually that fact has been verified through certain posts on this very thread.

In regards to your statement about boxes, Affirmative Action, etc.:

Again, I am glad that you can name ONE instance and, you know, I am almost positive someone on here can name at least ONE instance similar to your own. I can. But if you look at the BIG PICTURE...can you tell me the demographic of scholarship recipients? I can tell you RIGHT NOW that your instance along with the singular instances of everyone on this board combined is not enough to dent the stats.

This is what many of you fail to realize. THINK GLOBALLY, NOT LOCALLY. How many Blacks are heads of corporations? How many Blacks do you know that OWN universities? And what do you think the ratio of attendance to college is, black to white, scholarship or not?

The boxes that we check are not to HELP us, they are to CLASSIFY us, and that is, indeed, dangerous. Sorry, but that one Hispanic boy who got the one scholarship is still going to face discrimination and oppression as he moves up the ladder. Just like YOU are as a woman.

[RUgreek]

Originally posted by lovelyivy84
I'm sorry but anyone who says that there is a biological basis to race IS in fact wrong. Flat out wrong. Other stuff is relative yes, but that one's just WRONG.

I just want to know why? WHY am I so wrong? I don't classify people by those things, but many people do, that's how they define race. Why is that wrong? I know you don't like it, trust me the point has been made, but I still cannot just accept I'm wrong because it is fact. It's not wrong if that's what people are doing.