Is a "Pimps and Ho's Party" disrepectful??? - Page 4

Virtual Violet · #1 06-09-2002, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by phikappapsiman
I have to ask this...

I know that some fraternities have a "Pimps and Ho's" party. Some brothers want to bring it up to my chapter to have one, but I think that is it disrespectful, and kinda racist. Am I overreacting??? I mean, it's just for fun, but it just seems as if that is playing on bad sterotypes. What do others think??? Have we gotten so P.C. on campus that things like the KA's "Old South" party and the ever popular "Screw your Roommate" party are wrong? What do you think?

Ummmm.....YES its disrespectful. Not only the implication that pimps and hos denote a specific race (hence that it would be "kinda racist") (we all know prostitution is an equal opportunity business!), but as a woman, I wouldn't be caught dead portraying a "ho".

You have to remember the entire pimp/ho dynamic includes illegal activity and physical, mental and drug abuse of the prostitute to have her remain in the "stable". Yes, some prostitutes act voluntarily, but most stories include some sort of control to keep the money rolling in.

With that being said, I think the entire theme is disrespectful because of the connotations in that world, and isn't something to be trivialized in a party, even in the "reverse". (men as hos, women as pimps)

phikappapsiman · #2 06-09-2002, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by Virtual Violet

Ummmm.....YES its disrespectful. Not only the implication that pimps and hos denote a specific race (hence that it would be "kinda racist") (we all know prostitution is an equal opportunity business!), but as a woman, I wouldn't be caught dead portraying a "ho".

You have to remember the entire pimp/ho dynamic includes illegal activity and physical, mental and drug abuse of the prostitute to have her remain in the "stable". Yes, some prostitutes act voluntarily, but most stories include some sort of control to keep the money rolling in.

With that being said, I think the entire theme is disrespectful because of the connotations in that world, and isn't something to be trivialized in a party, even in the "reverse". (men as hos, women as pimps)

Thank You, Virtual Violet, and everyone who has commented either for or against such a party. I realize that what Violet says is what I felt for myself about this party, and it isn't something that I want my group associated with. It may be fine for others, and that's their choice, but there are so many other fun themes out there that are not nearly as controversial so we really don't need this at my house. Thanks everyone for your input-it is really appreciated!

Virtual Violet · #3 06-09-2002, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by phikappapsiman

Thank You, Virtual Violet, and everyone who has commented either for or against such a party. I realize that what Violet says is what I felt for myself about this party, and it isn't something that I want my group associated with. It may be fine for others, and that's their choice, but there are so many other fun themes out there that are not nearly as controversial so we really don't need this at my house. Thanks everyone for your input-it is really appreciated!

You're welcome!

counting · #4 06-09-2002, 02:45 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by phikappapsiman
I have to ask this...

I know that some fraternities have a "Pimps and Ho's" party. Some brothers want to bring it up to my chapter to have one, but I think that is it disrespectful, and kinda racist. Am I overreacting???

You are not overreacting??

"Pimps and Hos" party are disrespectful

Because every woman that participates in this party will be consider a ho. That is disrespectful to every woman.

VOTE NO FOR THE PARTY.

RUgreek · #5 06-09-2002, 03:18 PM

Pimps and Ho's is racist? Are you people serious? Get real, I have never heard of this crap before. Ok, since it has a racist connection, care to fill me in on what race you are talking about and what's your proof?

I can see how the title is offensive and shocking, but if it was called something like "Sexy Dress Up Costume Mixer" would there be a difference if people came dressed like pimps and ho's? Damn, I'd think when you join the greek system, some of you would learn to be a little loose and not so conservative. You'll have plenty of time to get old and freaked out like my grandparents...

Drop me an invite for your wine and cheese mixers, ok?

phikappapsiman · #6 06-10-2002, 12:51 AM

First off, I don't need "proof" to have an opinion. But since SOME of you seem to think that by showing repect to others who may be offended by such an event is a sign of conservatism, and not respect, I will try to explain my point of view.

How is a "pimps and hos party" racist? Well, I can ONLY SPEAK FOR ME, as to how I can see it as being racist. As an African-American male, I do not find that portraying a Pimp is anything that I consider either entertaining or fun. To me, and JUST TO ME, the racial connotations that go with being a pimp are not any that I see as positive. Maybe other ethnic groups see it as no big deal, but that is one sterotype that I don't need to enact. I have yet to see a Pimp portrayed in the media or in Hollywood as anything but an African-American male without any redeeming qualities, so yes, I do find it disrespectful, racist, and not needed. Who knows? Maybe there are White pimps, Asian pimps, Hispanic pimps, whatever out there, but I have yet to see one (except for Heidi Fleiss, and I guess you couldn't really call her a pimp). Am I being oversensitive? Perhaps. But it is not a matter of being politically correct-it's a matter of pride and self-respect. As for ho's- I wouldn't want my wife or girlfriend or daughter or sister dressing like a ho at any time. Again, this is just my opinion...If others feel that their organization should do it, and nothing is wrong with it- fine, that is their choice. I only hope that if other individuals or groups on their campus found out about it, that person or group would at least have the courage to call them on it to have them explain how such an event reflects positively upon greek life.

NewGirl · #7 06-10-2002, 01:08 AM

At Florida State, the law school had a pimps and hoes party at a bar near campus... well, it was all in good fun. But.. other campus groups found out about such as the naacp and other ones.. and it was in the papers.. all of them about this party and everyone got mad. Personally, yes they could be offensive and other ways it could be a good time. i think it depends on how people take it.
-ashley

Peaches-n-Cream · #8 06-10-2002, 01:30 AM

Yes it is disrespectful. I wouldn't do it.

SATX*APhi · #9 06-10-2002, 02:54 AM

One of the fraternities back at school had a Pimps and Hoes Party. The following week, the school paper had pictures on the front cover. Well, the editor-in-chief was almost removed from his position because he allowed these perfectly decent photos to be placed in our school paper. (BTW, I go to a private, Catholic university) Sooo, I guess it all depends on who, what, where, when, etc.

thesweetestone · #10 06-10-2002, 03:06 AM

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Originally posted by phikappapsiman
I have yet to see a Pimp portrayed in the media or in Hollywood as anything but an African-American male without any redeeming qualities, so yes, I do find it disrespectful, racist, and not needed. Who knows? Maybe there are White pimps, Asian pimps, Hispanic pimps, whatever out there, but I have yet to see one (except for Heidi Fleiss, and I guess you couldn't really call her a pimp).

Ho's and pimps have nothing to do with race. Don't allow people to label you or your race as something you are not. Pimps and ho's are a part of all cultures and races. Hollywood is hollywood. Hollywood is not real life. Pimps are not exclusively black. Blacks are not exclusively pimps and ho's. No one race has a monopoly on that.

AOX81 · #11 06-10-2002, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by lovelyivy84
All the attitude was not even necessary. Check thyself por favor.

There was no attitude. I was just responding to a post.

Check thyself? Who made you all high and mighty?

Anyway, have a great day everyone

starang21 · #12 06-10-2002, 02:35 PM

but who do these people get their inspiration from? who do they imitate? yes, this type of party can be seen as racist.

dzrose93 · #13 06-10-2002, 03:10 PM

We had one at my school... but it was called "Deer Hunters and Their Wives"... guys in camoflauge and the girls in curlers, housecoats, etc.

It was fun, and I don't think anyone was offended.

Serenity · #14 06-10-2002, 04:21 PM

I would never participate in one of these parties. I just could not bring myself to do it. NOT AT ALL. In my neighborhood, calling someone a hoe is fighting words.

I don't know anyone who would feel comfortable enough to step into a sorority/fraternity party in "hoe gear"

just cuz everyone else thought it was cool/funny/acceptable. But hey, to each his own.

If organizations really want to have a party and dress up in this manner, then they should simply come up with a better name than "Pimps and Hoes". IMO, that theme lacks creativity and is just plain tacky.

RUgreek · #15 06-11-2002, 02:57 AM

I guess I'm living on planet x because I sincerely do not see a distinct association with pimps and hoes to the african-american or any other specific group as people are commenting. I don't mean to be disrespectful to any group, but I suppose I didn't face these types of problems being in such a multi-cultural fraternity. Our brotherhood, I can safely say, hit every ethnic group during my time there. Sure we'd joke around and make tasteless jokes, but nothing was ever disrespectful to any person or group.

Having said that, I think everyone here is only upset with this theme because the title is shocking. I saw it as short and catchy; some of you saw it as racist and disrespectful. I apologize if I offended anyone with my opinions, but I can't seem to figure out what it is that triggers in your mind those words as racist. I must of missed those movies, cause I've seen whorehouses, postitutes, and yes, the pimps portrayed by all types of people (what a lovely subject we've gotten into here).

Anyways, I can understand now that just people and cultures are more or less sensitive to different things for different reasons. But let me ask this, if someone like me, who never had intentions of offending a group and my house had such a party and everyone had a great time dressing up and partying, how are we being disrespectful? Because I don't think it's fair to automatically assume something is being disrespectful unless the people doing it are intending that sort of reaction. Just my thought, and I think that's the thought of the people who throw these parties. Otherwise, what kind of fun is it to have a party that gets people upset?

- RUgreek