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07-22-2010, 10:05 AM
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If you read the article carefully, you'll see that the issue was that the competitions are not inter-collegiate but instead, sponsored by a vendor of cheerleading gear. Bottom line, there are not standings, rankings, playoffs, etc. of college cheer teams. There is not an official schedule of Team A vs. Team B, Team C vs. Team D. It is not structured as a college sport.
My other question about this is ... aren't most cheer teams in college co-ed now? They certainly were even when I was in school and when I watch college football there are men on these teams. So, how do you count that against women's volleyball even if it were structured like other sports? There are lots of male cheerleaders.
Did it occur to anybody else that the college probably spent more on fighting this in court than it would cost to run the volleyball team anyway?
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07-22-2010, 10:08 AM
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If competition cheerleading is a sport, so is competition marching band.
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07-22-2010, 10:42 AM
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If competition cheerleading is a sport, so is competition marching band.
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I did both. Competition marching band was a lot easier than competitive cheerleading.
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07-22-2010, 11:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFrog
If competition cheerleading is a sport, so is competition marching band.
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Originally Posted by jennyj87
I did both. Competition marching band was a lot easier than competitive cheerleading.
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I disagree. Marching band, drum and bugle corps, indoor color guard, indoor percussion ensembles and everything in the competitive marching arts blur the line between art and sport, but I feel like calling it either devalues the other portion of it.
I may be running around a football field with a 30lb horn on my shoulder marching with added ballet-esque dance 12 hours a day, but I'm still playing music.
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07-22-2010, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by XAntoftheSkyX
Marching band, drum and bugle corps, indoor color guard, indoor percussion ensembles and everything in the competitive marching arts blur the line between art and sport, but I feel like calling it either devalues the other portion of it.
I may be running around a football field with a 30lb horn on my shoulder marching with added ballet-esque dance 12 hours a day, but I'm still playing music.
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Color guard more-so than marching band, and dancing and competitive cheering? Absolutely!
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07-23-2010, 10:30 AM
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Color guard more-so than marching band, and dancing and competitive cheering? Absolutely!
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I'm a little confused, are you saying that those three should be/are considered sports?
IMO the closest to a sport in the marching arts is drum and bugle corps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WWmM1jpM8I
"His heartrate had jumped up to 180 beats a minute... and he hadn't done anything yet."
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07-22-2010, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by AGDee
If you read the article carefully, you'll see that the issue was that the competitions are not inter-collegiate but instead, sponsored by a vendor of cheerleading gear. Bottom line, there are not standings, rankings, playoffs, etc. of college cheer teams. There is not an official schedule of Team A vs. Team B, Team C vs. Team D. It is not structured as a college sport.
My other question about this is ... aren't most cheer teams in college co-ed now? They certainly were even when I was in school and when I watch college football there are men on these teams. So, how do you count that against women's volleyball even if it were structured like other sports? There are lots of male cheerleaders.
Did it occur to anybody else that the college probably spent more on fighting this in court than it would cost to run the volleyball team anyway?
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A lot of them are, but not all (Smaller schools, for example, usually can't get the guys). The schools that are going this competition-only varsity team route -- Maryland was the first to do so -- are making them all-girl. The hope, as Quinnipiac had, is that it counts as a "female" team for Title IX purposes.
And Dee, you're spot on about the "disorganization" of cheerleading in the competitive sense. We've shot ourselves in the foot with 5,000,000 cheer companies all sponsoring competitions and "national championships." There's no one overriding body.
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