Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[starang21]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

But breaking a law multiple times is an offense that can get you arrested. There is a difference between acting as if breaking an immigration law is not a big deal and the end of the world. I agree that there is a problem with illegal immigration, but vilifying these people is not the solution. Going on and on and on about how they broke the law is dumb, IMHO.

no, that's stating a fact. illegal immigration isn't contributing to the overall wellness of this country like many seem to believe. there's 330 million americans, and 12 million illegals. it's a drop in the bucket overall. but they don't deserve amnesty.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Speeding isn't normally an offense that warrants an arrest, it's just a civil infraction. Why do people try to justify breaking immigration laws by acting as if it's no big deal or it's a stupid concept to begin with, so why follow it?

For reasons both obvious and not, undocumented entry into the US doesn't warrant an arrest either (deportation instead).

The main issue with immigration over the Mexican border is that there's no real incentive for most people to cross legally. Crossing with a coyote is expensive, dangerous, and generally just a shitty experience - but it's still apparently preferable to attempting to enter the country legally. Unless that changes, no fence or semi-racist Minutemen patrol will stem the tide of illegals.

Also, as an aside, the problem with connecting crime statistics to immigration is that there's been a drop in crime overall, and particularly violent crime, over the last two decades or so, and the reasons are really poorly understood (Levitt connected it to Roe v. Wade and abortions among the poor, for example - so the reasons are likely much broader than any one immigration issue). Any comparison has to account for this general drop first. Second, crimes among illegals (for instance, theft or rape) will likely go underreported, and there is no way to know how many unsolved crimes can be tied to a group of people adept at changing names/information/location - it's a minor point when compared with point 1, but there's a good chance it's significant. That's without getting into the fact that there's really no proof that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a higher rate than non-immigrants once you account for socioeconomic factors.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Yeah, and that reasoning works as well as the reasoning that every person with a car should be arrested for daily breaking the law as they speed to work. Everyone breaks the law. That's illegal. Think of another argument.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Yeah, and that reasoning works as well as the reasoning that every person with a car should be arrested for daily breaking the law as they speed to work. Everyone breaks the law. That's illegal. Think of another argument.

people are pulled over. and given speeding tickets. and just because many folks aren't, that doesn't mean that illegals should be given amnesty. so your comparison is poor.

[Drolefille]

Just for reference: http://lafinjack.net/images/random/immigration.jpg

I'm not posting it because it's huge.

[DrPhil]

I see the pros and cons of amnesty and the children of illegal immigrants being citizens by birth. It does give illegal immigrants a way out and contribute to the moral dilemma of kicking illegal immigrants out ("how can you kick the parents out when their kids are citizens?). Crafty.

[DrPhil]

This is where I randomly say "I am not immigrationist! Some of my bestfriends are illegal!"

[Nanners52674]

Just read this online, Senator Kyl supports measure that would eliminate birthright citizenship for those born to illegal immigrants.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6733905.shtml

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by starang21

nothing is going to deter people from crossing the border. as long as there are borders, folks will continue to cross is illegally. whether or not the process is easier. said "black market" will always exist because some people will attempt to circumvent the law. the problem is not with our immigration law, but with the people who circumvent it.

and i wonder if the families of drug users think that it's a victimless crime.

Carrot and stick. You've already said this is not a priority for you, so I'm not actually sure why you're interested in discussing it.

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

Just read this online, Senator Kyl supports measure that would eliminate birthright citizenship for those born to illegal immigrants.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6733905.shtml

He won't overturn it, it'll take an amendment to change. There's precedent specific to illegal immigration by the courts. He's just trying to make political hay.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You've already said this is not a priority for you, so I'm not actually sure why you're interested in discussing it.

because i like discussing things and this is a message board. where you discuss things.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by starang21

because i like discussing things and this is a message board. where you discuss things.

That wasn't a "GTFO of this thread" post. But you're said a) it's not a priority for you, b) you don't think there's a problem, c) that people would judge, villianize, and cross borders illegally no matter what.

So what's your point? What's your purpose? Is there something you want to know or something you're trying to get across? You're just spinning in circles, often repeating yourself many times without appearing to actually have a purpose and simultaneously denying any concern.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

That wasn't a "GTFO of this thread" post. But you're said a) it's not a priority for you, b) you don't think there's a problem, c) that people would judge, villianize, and cross borders illegally no matter what.

So what's your point? What's your purpose? Is there something you want to know or something you're trying to get across? You're just spinning in circles, often repeating yourself many times without appearing to actually have a purpose and simultaneously denying any concern.

LOL. i'm just commenting on illegal immmigration. i didn't say there wasn't a problem. but the answer to said problems isn't to make things easier on illegal immigrants.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

Just read this online, Senator Kyl supports measure that would eliminate birthright citizenship for those born to illegal immigrants.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6733905.shtml

I was just coming in to post this. lol

[DrPhil]

What's worse than his allegedly spinning in circles is you all jogging in place with him. Ha.

[AGDee]

It's nothing like the flood of illegals from Mexico but there are some (not generally Canadians themselves) who use Canada to get here more easily.